I’ve been reading Finding Merlin by Adam Ardrey lately and have had occasion to use a couple of quotes in conversation with another blogger who swears that his ancient “Merlin/Arthurian” legend is more historically based than the historical Merlin which gave basis to the Arthurian legends we all know from Camelot and Excalibur fame.
It all started rather inocuously with a claim to authority and “rights” of ownership. To which I responded:
Simply being told by another passerby that “Farmer John owns this field” so I’d better fork over the rent for squatting, or a portion of all I have everyday just to eat from what grows freely doesn’t amount to much unless you can demonstrate that Farmer John actually owns the field and actually demands such a price.
Until then… it’s all of our field. And we are free do enjoy and live according the dictates of our own conscience as long as we don’t infringe on the rights and freedoms of the other squatters in the field.
To which he replied more with force and repetition than with Truth and Grace:
Really Mike? You have no problem ignoring and stealing from another mans property, especially when the sign reads ‘no trespassing?’
Do I need to repeat that ALL of the property belongs to the Creator? But it does appear you have once again, missed the point (the gnat thing) of the post.
Which of course, I followed up with:
I can post a sign on the nearest plot of land, hire representatives to say it belongs to me… or for the sake of your point someone else who may or may not be real, but posting a sign and having people repeat adnauseum does nothing to actually demonstrate that what the sign and the representatives are saying is actually true.
And then things got a bit more interesting.
The other blogger, some of you may know him to be quite the comedian, resorted to name calling and scripture quoting. Telling me that he hopes I will one day “Wake up” again, and re-enter “The Faith once delivered to the saints” (which as I found out by researching history, archaeology, and the origins and transmission of the books we call The Bible… isn’t nearly as ‘Once delivered, still the same’ as we’ve been led to believe).
But I followed up any way:
Wake up? You mean go back to sleep. Sorry, I enjoy a fantasy free life. If there is a God of love, mercy and grace… he won’t need to threaten with eternal torture and pain in order to get people to believe he exists on bad or no evidence.
I guess we’ll both have to wait till we see who Farmer John is, won’t we? Until then, live well, love strongly and do the best you can to “live at peace with all me, as much as it depends on you.” You remember that one, right CS? Have a great day.
To which he responded that I would have no way of knowing Truth, Grace, Mercy if not for the scripture. Of course… his preferred scripture, The Bible.
But of course, being happy to contradict and enlighten at the same time, 😉 … I pressed on:
Not true. Grace, mercy and love are taught and exhibited by all people groups and most all religions. They are not exclusive to Christians… who at present seem to be running a bit short on all categories if I can interpret your representation in this comment thread. Again, have a Great day.
To which I gained a bit of agreement with him finally. He even slightly admitted that he was willing to take the “good” from anywhere and “spit out the bones”. Albeit, giving credit to the “good” to his preferred Source, regardless of the actual source of the good.
“Progress of a kind.”- Christopher Hitchens
And so I continued yet again… this time with quotes from the book I’m reading on the History of Merlin.
Speaking of “spitting out the bones”, I have a great quote for you from a book I’m reading on Celtic Christianity and the Old Way of the Druids.
“Once gods, rituals and ‘spiritual authorities’ are stripped away, a love of life and truth is predominant in what remains: that is, in human nature” and “The answer to the fundamental question of why we are here is simply this: we are here for each other.”- Adam Ardrey, Finding Merlin
Great quotes. Really good read. Pick up a copy today.
To which he disregarded the words, disregarded my ‘hobby’ of reading. Apparently, for you who are brave enough to visit his post directly, he isn’t aware that there actually was a Merlin and an Arthur in historical records. Because he lumped them in with Harry Potter of all fictitious characters. Maybe he really does need Reading and History books as a new hobby.
But as I tried to tell him, but he deleted my comment, Merlin is well attested to in history. It’s why I’m reading this fascinating book by Ardrey. We know the year of his birth, 540ce, we know where he was born, Cadzow Scotland, we know he had a twin sister, Languoreth who was later married to a real king of the area, Rhydderch, we know his father’s name in historical records, Morken, and we know when he died, how old he was, and where he was buried. All historical facts and records.
There is another… who I referred to, and is the reason that the blogger deleted my comment and told his readers that he did it due to my “perversity” in the comment… that doesn’t have nearly the C.V. or Pedigree recorded in secular or nonreligious and biased sources. This One may have lived at one time, was put to death by authorities and now is believed on as having risen from the dead from an “Empty Tomb”.
But secular, non “Faithful”, unbiased, contemporary 1st century sources tell us nothing more than he was a teacher, who was put to death and that his followers “believed” that he had risen. History itself records accurately or reliably neither the year of his birth, the year of his death, where his “tomb” specifically was, or even if he had one rather than being tossed unceremoniously into a common pit with other victims of Roman Crucifixion at the time.
“Let us hear the conclusion of the matter”. History is clear.
A Merlin most certainly existed. He was not a fictional character like Harry Potter or Gandalf the Grey.
A ‘Jesus’ (Joshua), Jewish Rabbi of the 1st century, may have and I’m prepared to accept that he most certainly existed, tried to rabble rouse the populous to religious revival with an end to resisting or even removing Roman Rule in Palestine… got himself arrested for sedition, executed by crucifixion and most likely, according to biblical scholar John Dominic Crossan, tossed into a common pit, denying him an honorable burial.
As for the Jesus of the New Testament, Son of God, Deity in human form, miracle worker, able to raise the dead and Resurrected Saviour of the World Himself? ColorStorm… John…
THAT Jesus is the “Harry Potter”-like work of religious literary fiction.
The truth is that you have access to all this information, you’ve come into contact with former christians like me and other people who have searched this stuff out. People have come to your blog with all this documentary contradiction to what You Believe to be True. There is no way you couldn’t know that what the Evidence says against the bible and the very foundations of Christianity is historically and factually true. I think you know that what we are telling you is true.
You know that the Jesus of the New Testament isn’t either “Lunatic, Liar or Lord”. He’s a Literary Creation based on a frustrated and disillusioned religious/political hope of a group of followers of an obscure Jewish Rabbi in the first century who got himself killed for inciting rebellion and possibly national revolution. I think You know this.
You just don’t want to admit it yet.
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