Frostian Wednesday: “Meeting and Passing”

((( Reposting in honor of the Birthday of Robert Frost, my favorite American Poet. -kia)))

 I love Robert Frost. I hope you do too. Have a great day. -kia

Meeting and Passing
As I went down the hill along the wall
There was a gate I had leaned at for the view
And had just turned from when I first saw you
As you came up the hill. We met. But all
We did that day was mingle great and small
Footprints in summer dust as if we drew
The figure of our being less that two
But more than one as yet. Your parasol
Pointed the decimal off with one deep thrust.
And all the time we talked you seemed to see
Something down there to smile at in the dust.
(Oh, it was without prejudice to me!)
Afterward I went past what you had passed
Before we met and you what I had passed.
– Robert Frost

My Journey pt 10: The Question, “Why?”

Some people just like questions 

From a thread over on Wallys blog post on Worship. I admit freely here that when he posted a Meme stating that Worship isn’t about discovering who we are, but about discovery who God is, my first comment from a former christian/minister/worship leader’s perspective probably came off a bit harsh and offensive.

KIA

September 25, 2016 at 13:00

Reply

The old jesus people song by maranatha rings in my ears as I read this. “Let’s forget about ourselves…”
It’s a mass self hypnosis/brainwashing activity designed to negate your individual identity and value. And to think I used to lead worship

Good memories of a wonderfully simple worship song, followed by a sharp ‘Ouch’

Then I got a curious question of why I ‘apostasized’ and what caused me to finally ‘defect’? I thought I had done enough damage, not only to the silly meme, but also perhaps to Wally’s original post and even my own self respect, having somewhat unfairly jabbed. 

KIA

September

Don’t want to hijack Wally’s post. You can read and comment on my blog if you like. I’ll answer any question you want to ask as honestly as I can

My efforts to respectfully decline answering the Spaniard’s questions only brought the kind of abuse that was the answer to what finally pushed me over the edge further towards deconversion. 

KIA
September 26, 2016 at 09:23
But honestly Spaniard, Wallys response to me in this thread is part of what motivated me to ask even more questions and uncover the answers I didn’t expect to find. This video describes similar treatment I received last year as I tried to ask questions both here and on a different blog you might also frequent. I was still holding on to my faith by a thread, but some people seem not to be willing to explore or think beyond their own understanding. Watch the video and tell me what you think on my blog please.

If you are still interested in why I left the Faith I knew, loved and trusted after 34 years, it was Answers that I wasn’t supposed to learn, Evidence that what I believed, trusted and ‘knew’ about the Bible, history and science was simply not true, and also Evidence about science history, archaeology, and christianity that WAS true. The final push out the Chapel doors, the ‘Left Foot’ versus the Right Hand of Fellowship as we say, was administered both at Wally’s blog and at another person’s named James.

I hope this helps. Please watch the video all the way thru and read some of the other posts I have here at the Recovering Know It All. And thank you for still asking questions. 

-kia

One more time… ugh!

For someone that is continuing to play the Strawman…

Both Atheism and Agnosticism attempt to answer the same question: “Is there or are there a god or gods?”

  • Agnosticism answers… “I don’t Know.” That’s what the term literally means.
  • Atheism answers… “I don’t believe. Convince me with Evidence.”

Neither of these two positions makes any claim for knowledge, exhaustive or not. So posting childish and intentionally dishonest memes about supposed Know-it-Alls who claim to know for certain that God or gods do not exist is not only a brainless Strawman Fallacy, but it’s also an unfair and adolescent attempt to shift the burden of proof from your Positive Claim that a god, not just any old god, but the God of the Bible exists.

To which both the Agnostic and the Atheist would say… “Convince me with Evidence, not Strawmen or Arguments from Ignorance or Incredulity. Evidence. 

So instead of focusing time, energy and Brain Power on mischaracterizing those who disagree with you, do the HONEST thing and provide some Evidence for your Positive Claim. We’re listening.

-kia

HaiKu Question of God’s Existence

He was or Am I?

UPDATE 2/5/17

((( Apparantly, there are some who believe that all that is needed is a ‘look around’ to discern the imprint of a creator god. This may be true or not as the case may be, but… which one? I was once just as sure that my god, the biblical God of christianity and His Only Begotten Son Jesus, was the One who had called all things into existence. Unfortunately, other people of other Faiths I’d never even heard of or had dismissed as False and Pagan/Demonic also use the same ‘look around you’ argument for their god being the ‘obvious’ Creator/Sustainer of the Universe we “… live and move and have our being…” in. 

The most that the Universe and Nature can suggest to us, and that’s if we are being VERY generous, is that there could be a Deistic “god of the philosophers” who may have set it all in motion. But even that is an assumption of Faith without actual evidence. We have Nature and the Universe we live in, but no… we have no Evidence of a Personal God who created and sustains it and as such, we have no way to discern which of the more than 3000 or so gods, let alone all the diverse and disagreeing denominations of those religions, that mankind  has developed over the millenia is actually the right one to identify as The Prime Mover who set it all in motion. 

No. If there is a God, and I still believe there might be, we must believe and hold to that by Faith alone. Evidence will never point us toward Him, let alone which Him… or Her or It… it is. You can’t just tell people “look around”. Enjoy the HaiKu this morning -kia)))

Surf or Serf?

I was once as you

awash with new life but then

reality’s waves crashed down.

Self Directed?

was once discipled

near and far I followed

truth is, I just went

Buoyant or Boyhood? 

calmed the billowed seas

they say He walked on water

my sinking savior

For Raymond

are there really gods?

or is it Comforting myth?

choosing reality

Imago Dei/Et?

Petty, selfish me

made in the image of god

from the tree, apples fall

Asking Silence

How would you really

go about, the existence

of a God to Prove?

-KIA

Janis Joplin: Prayer as Wish Fulfillment

Janice first performed this on August 8th, 1970 the same day she wrote it. 

“I’m a victim of my own insides. There was a time when I wanted to know everything … It used to make me very unhappy, all that feeling. I just didn’t know what to do with it. But now I’ve learned to make that feeling work for me. I’m full of emotion and I want a release, and if you’re on stage and if it’s really working and you’ve got the audience with you, it’s a oneness you feel.” -Janice Joplin

I think she knew the sadness of wanting to know it all. She grew up much as I did. In the Midwest. Christian family. She probably started out with a Faith like mine, that God, not just any god, but the biblical God had it all sorted. He knew what we didn’t. He controlled what we could not. He could supply what we lacked, and could be trusted with our lives. 

This song pokes a little fun at all that we once were before the world showed us differently. And before we realized the God of the Bible to be the Deadbeat Dad and absentee Father that He really is. There are still many who, like we did, still cry out in supplication and ‘with words that cannot be uttered’ for’help in their time of need’. But it seems silly now to me to ask for a Mercedes when halfway across the world, or even just downtown from me here in Arizona, people just need food, warm clothing and a roof for their families… yet have no answers. 

Some of them, many of them here in Christian America, ‘Ask, Seek, and Knock’ from the same God and His Son, Jesus … but not to ‘consume upon their own lusts’, yet still have not the things they request and need. God seems to be more interested in parking places and lost sets of keys.

Maybe this is why Janice lived so freely and with such emotion. She realized there would be no Mercedes, color TV or night on the town coming from the skies. She realized the ‘oneness’ of humanity and the connection we all share with each other and the personal responsibility to ourselves and others around us to ‘give us our Daily Bread’. 

She realized that no one Knows it All by themselves, not even that God she grew up with. We all ‘know in part’ and combine our parts with each other to know still not All, but more than we did before. She enjoyed life to the fullest and her concerts were a testimony to the unfettered “full tilt boogie” full of emotion and life. A life devoid now of meaningless and fruitless begging to a Biblical God who wasn’t there to answer. We are all we have. Humanity and  connection and in Janice’s word… Oneness. Embrace it. Embrace not having to Know it All today. Recovery awaits.

It would be Janice’s 73rd Birthday on the 19th this month. She died in October of the same year she wrote and performed this song.

-kia