Plus/Delta: In response to a Christian’s sad post 

I saw in my reader today a post titled

Evangelism tracked liked Giving?

Giving and Personal Evangelism as a ‘Deliverable’?

I found it was an odd sentiment. The post went on about his church, he was in a leadership role, treating him like an employee in a corporate setting where even his giving was tracked for compliance. He said he have in cash for personal reasons, probably because he wanted his giving to actually be personal between himself and his god (ironically enough), but he was called to account by the leadership of the church because of their inability to ‘track’ his personal giving. He said that he and his fiancee at the time decided to combine their giving just so she could write a check, and the church could track it going forward. 

Madness, this is madness… 

This is what I said to him in the comments

“Micromanaged faith… that’s what church is nowadays. No one has a right to ‘call you on the carpet’ about either your giving to the church or (or others for that matter) or the sharing of your Faith in personal evangelism. Run. Run fast. And escape the authoritarians in leadership there while you still can. Find your own path and connect with god for yourself, not thru anyone else’s expectations or micromanagement. -kia”

I hope he hears and runs. I hope he finds my post and understands my heart in the warning. I hope it’s a wake up call from those already in Recovery.



10 thoughts on “Plus/Delta: In response to a Christian’s sad post 

  1. When I was still a Christian I would have responded, ‘our ways are not the ways of the world’.

    I have heard of some church’s tracking individual giving in the past, I would argue that 99% of Christians would find such behaviour abhorrent.

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      • This Christian site asks why there are now so many Calvinists and then proceeds to suggest some reasons (note they consider being a CAlvinist is a good thing):

        Interestingly some of the names they mention certain influenced my Christian thinking, Spurgeon and Martyn Lloyd-Jones to a major extent and John MacArthur and John Piper to a lesser extent. Lloyd-Jones was a brilliant preacher and would never shy away from controversial theological problems, on the most intractable issues associated with the Doctrine of Election he would look at the arguments on both sides and admit that in some matters there is no clear answer, rather it is a ‘mystery’ of God.

        Still to me the Arminian position is intellectually more satisfying and intuitively makes sense, but as Dr Martyn Lloyd-Jones would argue there are key passages in the Bible that contradict it.

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  2. While that horror story is most likely true and wretched, it is not the way of every church. You cannot take instances like this individual and apply it to the whole. That is a fallacious argument. If I mean a contankerous, rude, defensive agnostic, you would not want me to assume you are the same just because he might loosely affiliate with you. We do nothing like what this man describes. I am a senior pastor at my church and I have never been called out on something like this. My Elder body would see this as between me and my God. There are plenty of radical and extreme stories out there, no doubt. It does not describe all of us. I do not relate nor agree with what this man has went through.


  3. It is an unfortunate reality that churches must straddle their spiritual obligations and the more tangible financial obligations of maintaining a property and staff salaries, aside from any missions or charitable work in the community. Having a budget is a very real necessity for even those congregations most sincere in their endeavors to live Christ’s teachings. This necessarily means forecasting “revenue” which leads many churches to rely on pledges for projections. It’s an unfortunate part of running any church. That being said, the process you outline above goes beyond acceptable boundaries for respecting the individual’s relationship with God and their ability to tithe. The church is there to meet people where they are, not to appoint themselves God’s tax collectors.

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