A Pass On from CS, with an addition for the “Hearing Impaired”

Some light reading for your day… From one who has your best interests at heart. (Really he does, believe him) and some thoughts of my own, of course. -Kia
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Elementary principles
Posted on August 5, 2016 by ColorStorm

https://thenakedtruth2.wordpress.com/2016/08/05/elementary-principles/

Here’s a shout out to many of the readers in this zip code who are at various mile markers of understanding in this pilgrim way.

There is a common thought that is rolled around, and while the intentions are good, like most things, there is a more excellent way. So in all its simplicity, here goes:

God said it.
I believe it.
That settles it.

On the surface, and without trying too hard to find fault, these few lines do present truth. Think about these three thoughts before you proceed, and ask yourself how, and in what way, could the idea here be improved upon…and then tell me if there is a slight difference.

God said it.
That settles it.

There. Much better wouldn’t you say? God’s word is settled whether men believe it or not. As a matter of fact, it is ‘forever settled in heaven,’ as the good Psalm reads. So we may as well get on board with the idea that God needs no help from us to settle his word, but it sure is nice of Him to give us a heads up that WE may be settled in our hearts.

Indeed, may our hearts indict a good matter.
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(and now a word from our sponsor… KIA) 🙂

What he meant to clarify was that if God said it, that settles it, Whether we believe it or not.

So remember that when you are dealing with a Christian believer and they are imposing on you the commands and requirements of their faith.

Whether you believe or not, you are subject to their belief. Does this seem reasonable or just? This is why the Amateur Internet Apologists feel perfectly justified in treating other who disagree, challenge or attempt to counter their Pronouncements of Truth ™ with such scorn, contempt and utter disrespect and aggression.

It’s “settled in Heaven‘, it’s settled for them, so it’s settled for you whether you believe or like it or not. This is what Totalitarianism and Spiritual Fascism looks like. “You’ll take the boot and like it, God damn it!”. And FU if you don’t. It just doesn’t matter. It’s settled!

But there were others who are recorded in the Old Testament who went by that refrain, or at least the writers said they did… What of them? What did they do on the “Say So” of the God of the Bible? Today we might call them schizophrenics and bipolar. Oh yeah, they “heard” their God tell them to kill other nations, men, women, children and even infants around them.

“Insanity is when you hear voices in your head telling you wake up in the middle of the night and kill your son…”

(unless your name is Abraham)

“…Or someone else’s Son”

(Unless your name is Joshua)

Islam isn’t the only Religion of Peace that needs to be kept in check. There were somethings in history called

The Crusades,
The Inquisition,
The Salem Witch Trials

What do you think the Pilgrims to America were fleeing From?

Christianity here in the US is fairly tamed when compared with what it’s done in the past when it’s had the ability and freedom to impose on others the commands and requirements of their faith.

Europe and the Middle East was once littered with the bodies and wrecked nations left behind as one Christianity fought for control from other Christianities and even other types of Abrahamic Monotheism (Islam). The rule of the Pope and his Reformed successors once had the Freedom to impose on others, even this who did not believe as they did, different types of Christian Sharia Law.

Search your history books. While Calvin was not nearly as successful as the Pope in Rome, he only managed to kill a handful… Mere dozens, he was just as ambitious in Geneva as he imposed the “God said it, that settles it, whether you believe or not” mentality.

In reality, we don’t see this here in America so much today because Christianity no longer has the Power or the Freedom to execute it’s will here with impunity or without challenge. But go to some nations in Africa… Or Central/South America, you are bound to see a different Christianity still imposing it’s bloody and fascistic will on societies, believers and non believers alike.

Here it’s more subtle, more political, more ‘restrained’ by our form of religious freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution and a pluralistic society that makes them behave, whether they like it or not.

So no, Color Storm, it doesn’t settle it just because the God of the Bible says it, or should I say… Just because the writers said He said it… no matter how you phrase it.

No, it doesn’t settle it at all. Not anymore. Not in a free society. Not when you no longer have the Power to impose on others the commands and requirements of your faith.

We stopped the Insanity already with Freedom.
-kia

Watch “Why I am no longer a Creationist complete series” on YouTube

This is a great video series from a  former christian like myself on the failures of creationism and the Apologists who promote it. I once believed and even taught as this person did and read, believed and repeated the words and ideas that are rebutted in the video from the Usual Suspects, the Christian Apologists of the Lie of Biblical Creationism, but like him I woke up to the Real Evidence for Evolution and the Natural World and against the Biblical accounts for the Origin of the Universe and our Earth.

Added this little ditty for good measure and CS’s Amusement

To say with confidence and arrogance that “…God made the stars also” and “just look at the sky and the trees and you will know god made them” no longer suffices when one has been able to see, read and understand actual evidence to the contrary. I hope you enjoy this video and the information it presents as much as I did.

-kia

Tie Tuesday: “Just me and my Girl”

Happy 8th Birthday to my Daisey Mae

Another great one from the collection. Buggs and Daisey under a full moon… looks like a Harvest Moon, but just because it’s Carrot Orange. This would be my love for my wonderful wife. Her birthday isn’t for a few more months. But…

Here’s a better picture of my Daisey.

Doing what she does best, sleeping and ignoring the rest of the household. What a Princess. Enjoy the Day.

-kia

Frostian Wednesday: “Meeting and Passing”

((( Reposting in honor of the Birthday of Robert Frost, my favorite American Poet. -kia)))

 I love Robert Frost. I hope you do too. Have a great day. -kia

Meeting and Passing
As I went down the hill along the wall
There was a gate I had leaned at for the view
And had just turned from when I first saw you
As you came up the hill. We met. But all
We did that day was mingle great and small
Footprints in summer dust as if we drew
The figure of our being less that two
But more than one as yet. Your parasol
Pointed the decimal off with one deep thrust.
And all the time we talked you seemed to see
Something down there to smile at in the dust.
(Oh, it was without prejudice to me!)
Afterward I went past what you had passed
Before we met and you what I had passed.
– Robert Frost

My Journey pt 10: The Question, “Why?”

Some people just like questions 

From a thread over on Wallys blog post on Worship. I admit freely here that when he posted a Meme stating that Worship isn’t about discovering who we are, but about discovery who God is, my first comment from a former christian/minister/worship leader’s perspective probably came off a bit harsh and offensive.

KIA

September 25, 2016 at 13:00

Reply

The old jesus people song by maranatha rings in my ears as I read this. “Let’s forget about ourselves…”
It’s a mass self hypnosis/brainwashing activity designed to negate your individual identity and value. And to think I used to lead worship

Good memories of a wonderfully simple worship song, followed by a sharp ‘Ouch’

Then I got a curious question of why I ‘apostasized’ and what caused me to finally ‘defect’? I thought I had done enough damage, not only to the silly meme, but also perhaps to Wally’s original post and even my own self respect, having somewhat unfairly jabbed. 

KIA

September

Don’t want to hijack Wally’s post. You can read and comment on my blog if you like. I’ll answer any question you want to ask as honestly as I can

My efforts to respectfully decline answering the Spaniard’s questions only brought the kind of abuse that was the answer to what finally pushed me over the edge further towards deconversion. 

KIA
September 26, 2016 at 09:23
But honestly Spaniard, Wallys response to me in this thread is part of what motivated me to ask even more questions and uncover the answers I didn’t expect to find. This video describes similar treatment I received last year as I tried to ask questions both here and on a different blog you might also frequent. I was still holding on to my faith by a thread, but some people seem not to be willing to explore or think beyond their own understanding. Watch the video and tell me what you think on my blog please.

If you are still interested in why I left the Faith I knew, loved and trusted after 34 years, it was Answers that I wasn’t supposed to learn, Evidence that what I believed, trusted and ‘knew’ about the Bible, history and science was simply not true, and also Evidence about science history, archaeology, and christianity that WAS true. The final push out the Chapel doors, the ‘Left Foot’ versus the Right Hand of Fellowship as we say, was administered both at Wally’s blog and at another person’s named James.

I hope this helps. Please watch the video all the way thru and read some of the other posts I have here at the Recovering Know It All. And thank you for still asking questions. 

-kia

One more time… ugh!

For someone that is continuing to play the Strawman…

Both Atheism and Agnosticism attempt to answer the same question: “Is there or are there a god or gods?”

  • Agnosticism answers… “I don’t Know.” That’s what the term literally means.
  • Atheism answers… “I don’t believe. Convince me with Evidence.”

Neither of these two positions makes any claim for knowledge, exhaustive or not. So posting childish and intentionally dishonest memes about supposed Know-it-Alls who claim to know for certain that God or gods do not exist is not only a brainless Strawman Fallacy, but it’s also an unfair and adolescent attempt to shift the burden of proof from your Positive Claim that a god, not just any old god, but the God of the Bible exists.

To which both the Agnostic and the Atheist would say… “Convince me with Evidence, not Strawmen or Arguments from Ignorance or Incredulity. Evidence. 

So instead of focusing time, energy and Brain Power on mischaracterizing those who disagree with you, do the HONEST thing and provide some Evidence for your Positive Claim. We’re listening.

-kia