The God of slavery… again?

It seems that some people just haven’t learned anything

KIAOctober 27, 2016 at 2:37 am

“Because it’s pretty obvious that “captivity” wasn’t such a bad situation for that bird!”

Of course you can’t ask the bird, but you can ask those humans who have been slaves or any sane and intelligent human his opinion of ‘captivity’ vs freedom. I’m sure most people would gladly choose freedom over bondage, even if that leads to a more unsure life or earlier death.
Nothing justifies slavery. Nothing

If you dare, as much as it will pain me to point you there and you to read it, Check out Antebellum Amanda’s post trying to justify Biblical Slavery as ‘not so bad after all’ by justifying slavery in general as better than dying from too much freedom. What an Amazing crock of Bovine Excrement. While you’re at it, check out my first response post to her part one post. She was trying to equate Biblical Slavery to Parenting, of all things… Cringe!!

The levels one must stoop to in order to answer for and excuse the god of the Bible. It’s a very good thing that no such being actually exists outside of the pages of the Old and New Testaments.

-kia

The God of Slavery

((Reposted in response to a Christian’s post on slavery in the bible and exercised by Christians in history. She was rightly shocked, but apparantly found a way to reconcile the horror to herself and her faith. How about you? -kia))

God, in the OT law, actually gave instructions regulating and proscripting slavery. Ex 21. In the nt, there were instructions on how to treat your slaves, how slaves were not to run away from their masters and treat them with due respect, but not one word condemning, talking down, or outlawing slave ownership. Philmon was even about the return of a slave that had run away, accepted jesus, and was now being sent back to his ‘owner’ as a brother in christ.
Ownership of another human being, we all know nowadays, is never ever acceptable or conscienable. Seems that the god of the Bible didn’t know that. And that’s why his people throughout the centuries never knew that either, but rather practiced it with biblical authority.
Yes, it’s pretty hard to accept and understand. But that is what the Bible teaches.

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Owning and controlling other people as property, or like animals is Evil. Period!!

The God of the bible had alot to say about the subject of slavery, both directly in the ot cmandments and regulations and indirectly thru ‘holy men of God who spoke as the spirit gave them inspiration’.

Here’s one of them

For Mandy’s information

There is no sense in pretending slavery in the old testament or new testament was different than what we know today.

(Edit 10/10/16: Or was equivalent to Parenthood in the slightest. -kia)

It was not. But even if it was…

Why regulate and allow for the ‘owning of other persons‘ when you could just denounce it and ‘thou shalt not’ it as what everyone with a conscience knows it to be… Morally Evil and repugnant?

Question for the crowd:

So if we all know that Slavery of ANY type is inherently Evil… Why doesn’t the God of the Bible know?

-kia

A Pass On from CS, with an addition for the “Hearing Impaired”

Some light reading for your day… From one who has your best interests at heart. (Really he does, believe him) and some thoughts of my own, of course. -Kia
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Elementary principles
Posted on August 5, 2016 by ColorStorm

https://thenakedtruth2.wordpress.com/2016/08/05/elementary-principles/

Here’s a shout out to many of the readers in this zip code who are at various mile markers of understanding in this pilgrim way.

There is a common thought that is rolled around, and while the intentions are good, like most things, there is a more excellent way. So in all its simplicity, here goes:

God said it.
I believe it.
That settles it.

On the surface, and without trying too hard to find fault, these few lines do present truth. Think about these three thoughts before you proceed, and ask yourself how, and in what way, could the idea here be improved upon…and then tell me if there is a slight difference.

God said it.
That settles it.

There. Much better wouldn’t you say? God’s word is settled whether men believe it or not. As a matter of fact, it is ‘forever settled in heaven,’ as the good Psalm reads. So we may as well get on board with the idea that God needs no help from us to settle his word, but it sure is nice of Him to give us a heads up that WE may be settled in our hearts.

Indeed, may our hearts indict a good matter.
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(and now a word from our sponsor… KIA) 🙂

What he meant to clarify was that if God said it, that settles it, Whether we believe it or not.

So remember that when you are dealing with a Christian believer and they are imposing on you the commands and requirements of their faith.

Whether you believe or not, you are subject to their belief. Does this seem reasonable or just? This is why the Amateur Internet Apologists feel perfectly justified in treating other who disagree, challenge or attempt to counter their Pronouncements of Truth ™ with such scorn, contempt and utter disrespect and aggression.

It’s “settled in Heaven‘, it’s settled for them, so it’s settled for you whether you believe or like it or not. This is what Totalitarianism and Spiritual Fascism looks like. “You’ll take the boot and like it, God damn it!”. And FU if you don’t. It just doesn’t matter. It’s settled!

But there were others who are recorded in the Old Testament who went by that refrain, or at least the writers said they did… What of them? What did they do on the “Say So” of the God of the Bible? Today we might call them schizophrenics and bipolar. Oh yeah, they “heard” their God tell them to kill other nations, men, women, children and even infants around them.

“Insanity is when you hear voices in your head telling you wake up in the middle of the night and kill your son…”

(unless your name is Abraham)

“…Or someone else’s Son”

(Unless your name is Joshua)

Islam isn’t the only Religion of Peace that needs to be kept in check. There were somethings in history called

The Crusades,
The Inquisition,
The Salem Witch Trials

What do you think the Pilgrims to America were fleeing From?

Christianity here in the US is fairly tamed when compared with what it’s done in the past when it’s had the ability and freedom to impose on others the commands and requirements of their faith.

Europe and the Middle East was once littered with the bodies and wrecked nations left behind as one Christianity fought for control from other Christianities and even other types of Abrahamic Monotheism (Islam). The rule of the Pope and his Reformed successors once had the Freedom to impose on others, even this who did not believe as they did, different types of Christian Sharia Law.

Search your history books. While Calvin was not nearly as successful as the Pope in Rome, he only managed to kill a handful… Mere dozens, he was just as ambitious in Geneva as he imposed the “God said it, that settles it, whether you believe or not” mentality.

In reality, we don’t see this here in America so much today because Christianity no longer has the Power or the Freedom to execute it’s will here with impunity or without challenge. But go to some nations in Africa… Or Central/South America, you are bound to see a different Christianity still imposing it’s bloody and fascistic will on societies, believers and non believers alike.

Here it’s more subtle, more political, more ‘restrained’ by our form of religious freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution and a pluralistic society that makes them behave, whether they like it or not.

So no, Color Storm, it doesn’t settle it just because the God of the Bible says it, or should I say… Just because the writers said He said it… no matter how you phrase it.

No, it doesn’t settle it at all. Not anymore. Not in a free society. Not when you no longer have the Power to impose on others the commands and requirements of your faith.

We stopped the Insanity already with Freedom.
-kia

Watch “Why I am no longer a Creationist complete series” on YouTube

This is a great video series from a  former christian like myself on the failures of creationism and the Apologists who promote it. I once believed and even taught as this person did and read, believed and repeated the words and ideas that are rebutted in the video from the Usual Suspects, the Christian Apologists of the Lie of Biblical Creationism, but like him I woke up to the Real Evidence for Evolution and the Natural World and against the Biblical accounts for the Origin of the Universe and our Earth.

Added this little ditty for good measure and CS’s Amusement

To say with confidence and arrogance that “…God made the stars also” and “just look at the sky and the trees and you will know god made them” no longer suffices when one has been able to see, read and understand actual evidence to the contrary. I hope you enjoy this video and the information it presents as much as I did.

-kia

Tie Tuesday: “Just me and my Girl”

Happy 8th Birthday to my Daisey Mae

Another great one from the collection. Buggs and Daisey under a full moon… looks like a Harvest Moon, but just because it’s Carrot Orange. This would be my love for my wonderful wife. Her birthday isn’t for a few more months. But…

Here’s a better picture of my Daisey.

Doing what she does best, sleeping and ignoring the rest of the household. What a Princess. Enjoy the Day.

-kia

Frostian Wednesday: “Meeting and Passing”

((( Reposting in honor of the Birthday of Robert Frost, my favorite American Poet. -kia)))

 I love Robert Frost. I hope you do too. Have a great day. -kia

Meeting and Passing
As I went down the hill along the wall
There was a gate I had leaned at for the view
And had just turned from when I first saw you
As you came up the hill. We met. But all
We did that day was mingle great and small
Footprints in summer dust as if we drew
The figure of our being less that two
But more than one as yet. Your parasol
Pointed the decimal off with one deep thrust.
And all the time we talked you seemed to see
Something down there to smile at in the dust.
(Oh, it was without prejudice to me!)
Afterward I went past what you had passed
Before we met and you what I had passed.
– Robert Frost