For Wally’s Reading Pleasure on his Israel Trip

The tomb of Jesus? Which one?

I was not able to normally Reblog this one, having done so in the past so I decided to paste it in here. Wally is on a trip to Israel, the Christian Disneyland, where we are are told of places and stories and people who never lived, never happened and have been only constructed for our amusement… like some kind of Abrahamic Coney Island ride. If you’d like to read more, HERE is another article on the Exodus (HERE for a more polemic presentation) and HERE you can watch a brilliant lecture on Israeli archaeology that shows the state of the evidence as it really is. Make sure to follow thru to the second part of Dr Avalos’s presentation. Enjoy, have a good trip Wally, and as always… Have a Great Day. -kia

(((Make sure to visit the original article on JZs blog for the Pictures, links and to read all the comments.-kia)))


Kadesh Barnea, Gaza, & The Exodus

Posted on June 26, 2016 by JOHN ZANDE 172 Comments
The Jewish origin tale recounted in the Pentateuch is a work of geopolitical fiction. This is the uncontested consensus of biblical archaeologists and bible scholars. It has been the consensus position amongst professionals for nearly three generations now, but as the Chief Archaeologist at Jerusalem’s Israel Museum, Professor Magen Broshi, explained: “Archaeologists simply do not take the trouble of bringing their discoveries to public attention.” So solid is the consensus, and so definitive the evidence supporting it, that in 1998, the American Schools of Oriental Research (ASOR), the primary American professional body for archaeologists working in the Middle East, changed the name of its professional publication from Biblical Archaeologist to Near Eastern Archaeology simply because the bible had been determined to be (beyond all doubt) an entirely unreliable historical source to direct research into the early Jews, pre-Babylonian captivity. Indeed, in that same year, even Christianity Today’s Kevin D. Miller conceded: “The fact is that not one shred of direct archaeological evidence has been found for Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob or the 400-plus years the children of Israel sojourned in Egypt. The same is true for their miraculous exodus from slavery.”

These are just the facts. They are not a secret. The information has been in the public domain for decades, and today even the majority of Jewish rabbi’s openly concede their origin narrative is a work of fiction cast as a family unity tale: Isaac in the north (Israel), Jacob in the south (Edom), and Abraham, the father, right in the middle in Hebron (Judah) uniting them all. Imagined in the 8th and 7th century BCE, the story was designed to place Judah at the centre of the Jewish world so as to capitalise on a weakened Mamlekhet Yisra’el (whose name is derived from El, the father of the Canaanite pantheon, not the Judean Yhwh) after its sacking in 722 BCE. Coincidently, the 8th/7th century was precisely when the high priest, Hilkiah, miraculously rediscovered the supposedly “long-lost” scroll of the law, the Sefer Torah, hidden in a wall, telling this fantastic tale how his kingdom, Judah, was in fact the center of the Jewish world.

Convenient and timely discoveries aside, it is, however, known today that the very hills where the kingdoms of Judah and Israel would be found were not inundated with 2.5 million “arriving” slaves in the 14th Century BCE, rather they were first settled 50 years after the well-documented landing of the Philistines on the Levant in 1100 BCE. This is known today as the Settlement Period, it lasted for about a century, and the total population of the initial 11 villages never exceeded 30,000 during that entire period.

Libraries of evidence exist which confirm this more pedestrian history of the early Jews, but there is a contemporary case study which helps illustrate how just one element of the Exodus tale, for example, can be graphically shown to be myth.

In the Exodus tale, Kadesh Barnea (today known as Tell el-Qudeirat) is the site between the Wilderness of Paran (Num 13:3) and the Wilderness of Zin (Num 13:21) where the 2.5 million Hebrew refugees (Exodus 12:37) spent 38 continuous years in the 14th Century BCE before entering Canaan.

For a visual reference, this is what a temporary encampment of just 2 million extremely well-organised people without animals, food, water, or belongings of any sort looks like for one week at the 2016 hajj.

Over four decades in Kadesh Barnea, they built homes, got married, raised children, died, and were buried. For four decades they conducted business, practiced law, and dealt with the affairs of state, including defence which would have demanded fortifications and guard towers. The daily nutrition needs of 2.5 million people (a population roughly the size of Chicago) would have demanded the establishment of extensive farms, roads for transportation and distribution, and, importantly, enormous food depots and storage facilities. No doubt, the presence of 2.5 million people (half the population of the Egyptian Kingdom at the time) would have drawn traders from nearby towns eager to service this huge (static) population. Trade would require some sort of currency, so a mint and central bank would have had to of been established, and guarded. Indeed, to satisfy the material needs of 2.5 million people, mines would have been sourced, secured, and worked. Industrial-sized smelters and metal forgery’s would have to of been constructed, turning out everything from weapons to farming equipment. Colossal pottery enterprises would have had to of been built that would have demanded equally enormous supplies of raw materials and the construction of industrial kilns. Brickworks would have been established, as well as the public infrastructure for sewage and general waste disposal. At a minimum (and not including bathing, irrigation, or other uses), 2.5 million people would consume 5 million litres of water every day, requiring dozens of deep wells feeding local aqueducts and immense reservoirs. Schools and places of worship would have been built and adorned. Multi-seated entertainment venues would have hosted music and theatre. Governing bodies would no doubt need a permanent place to meet, and this central government apparatus would almost certainly have been supported by numerous satellite councils which operated medical clinics, garbage collection, and other day-to-day civil services.

In Kadesh Barnea, according to the narrative, the Hebrews had to wait until all the original men of fighting age had died, meaning a minimum of 600,000 graves. Naturally, when considering all other deaths in the forty year period, the real number of burials would be closer to 2-3 million.

For a visual reference, this is Wadi us-Salaam (“Valley of Peace”) cemetery in Najaf, Iraq. The cemetery has been in use for over 1,400 years, covers an area of 1485.5 acres, and contains an estimated two to three million bodies.

Given all this, and more, it should not come as any surprise to anyone that Kadesh Barnea was the very first site archaeologists (many of whom were American evangelicals) poured over in the first half of the 20th Century, eventually spending decades looking for evidence of this enormous city: its foundations, graveyards, drainage systems, fireplaces, landfills, etc.

Those decades of exhaustive work can be summarised in one sentence: nothing was found from the 14th Century BCE. The site was first occupied in the Iron Age (a tiny, primary 12th to 10th Century BCE settlement), then adorned with a small fort which stood from the 10th to 8th Century BCE.

Now, it does not take any great intellectual effort to understand that this was extraordinarily strange, and just a little northwest of Tell el-Qudeirat is a living example of just how strange this total and complete absence of hard archaeological evidence was: Gaza.

In 1948 the virtually undeveloped Gaza strip (home to approximately 35,000 in Gaza City, excluding Bedouins) became home to 233,000 Palestinian refugees experiencing their own forced Exodus, the Nakba. Here they established eight main refugee camps: Beach Camp (housing 23,000 refugees), Bureij Camp (13,000), Deir el-Balah Camp (9,000), Jabalia Camp (35,000), Khan Younis Camp (72,000), Maghazi Camp (24,000), Nuseirat Camp (16,000), Rafah Camp (41,000).

To be clear, this 233,000 is an eleventh of the total number of refugees who are said to have settled Kadesh Barnea.

Today in the Gaza Strip, 68 years after Nakba, that initial refugee population of 233,000 has become 1.26 million (1.76 million Gazans in total), for whom the United Nations Relief and Works Agency alone operates 245 schools, two vocational and technical training centres, 22 primary health centres, six community rehabilitation centres, and seven women’s programme centres.

And that’s just that one UN agency.

To make this point perfectly clear, let’s focus on one camp only: Beach Camp, also known as “Shati.” The 0.52 square kilometres camp is on the Mediterranean coast and initially accommodated 23,000 refugees who’d fled mostly from Lydd, Jaffa, and Be’er Sheva. Through natural birth rates, today, 68 years later, the camp has nearly quadrupled in size to 87,000 (still thirty-times less than the 2.5 million refugees who settled Kadesh Barnea), and includes 32 schools.

And here is a brief photographic journey through the history of the Beach Camp: Shati.

Beach Camp, 1948.

Beach Camp two years later, 1950, school operated by Jordanian government.

Beach Camp four decades later in the 1990’s.

Beach Camp in 2006, population 80,000.

The photo above is what 23,000 refugees can do in a few decades. To make life bearable, it’s what they must do. And so now take a look at the following two photographs: the first is what archaeologists found when they first arrived at Kadesh Barnea, where 2.5 million refugees allegedly spent four decades. The second is Kadesh Barnea today; the excavation in the foreground is the remains of the 10th to 8th Century BCE fort. Nothing from the 14th Century BCE has ever been unearthed… Not even a single pottery shard.


37 thoughts on “For Wally’s Reading Pleasure on his Israel Trip

    • Let me fix you comment zandevuhl:

      What you mean is……….. you need pictures so your devilish suggestions can be gobbled up by the hard-hearted and childlike ignoramuses of history, facts, logic, common sense, and they devoid of any spiritual discernment whatsoever.

      But nice work trying to paint Wally in such a ‘favorable’ light.

      And btw, speaking of the devil…………….he knows far more scripture than you clowns combined, and he is smart enough to know that certain things will NEVER be found…………….such as the burial place of Moses. And the things that have been found you cast aside as useless. Enter Scientific Christian.

      Then again, all your heroes would bitch if Abraham’s shoe laces were found………it’s rather amusing to see the circus acts and read the comments of the deluded such as you have presented here.

      Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Oh wait, that explains it. All you are hashish smokers. Ah, truth revealed.


        • Maybe john, your archaeological friends can find the burial place of Moses no?

          Maybe the ‘diggers’ can unearth that which has been kept secret?

          Maybe the ‘diggers’ can supercede God and prove Him a liar?

          Maybe, just maybe, you will understand the implication of this comment


          • No, I understodd you perfectly the first time.

            You’re saying your Middle Eastern god, Yhwh, is deliberately hiding evidence from his children… and I do, honestly, find that a fascinating admission.

            That’s an interesting admission.

            Thanks for your input.

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            • Sorry, John, God does not play games such as you would hope.

              The information you seek is more than apparent. Get in line with HIS good pleasure, and all your gripes will be as dust in the wind.

              Why should He show you anything by the way, when you do not even give Him the courtesy of existing………


              • Is comprehension in your ability to read?

                The devil DID NOT hide the burial place of Moses.

                As for your looking for Abraham’s shoe laces, keep looking. If you need proof of his sandals that he lived………keep looking.

                If you or your friends are not content with the simple biblical narrative, then by all means, keep looking.

                If you need to find the stone water pots of Cana ere you believe there was a wedding there, keep looking.

                Heck, if I told you I played a game of pool against Minnesota Fats, could juggle three grapefruits, swam across rivers, or whatever else, you would cite me a liar…………without proof.

                That would be to your shame. Unbelief in the credible is a killer.


              • Not looking for Abraham’s shoe laces, just some evidence 2.5 million people spent 40 years in one place… leaving, for instance, over 3 million graves.

                You’re saying that evidence exists, but will never be found because either

                1) Yhwh is deliberately hiding it, or

                2) the devil is hiding it and Yhwh is fine with that.

                Got it, thanks.

                It’s an interesting proposition.

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              • Sorry zande. you lose every argument against the truth of scripture.

                Your careless and sloppy interpretation of God and the people of God would win a Hollywood award. And of course you do know that those people are ACTORS, and have probably not have had an original thought in their life……….living on their despising opinions of the people who made them rich.

                But back on point. You contributing to the maligning of Wally for taking a nice vacation is quite telling. You are in good company with the pretended knowitall.


              • Whose <interpreting anything?

                Aren’t we talking about the physical evidence that 2.5 million people existed in one place for nearly half a century? Alone, that means over 3 million human graves which should be easy to find…

                But, according to you, the devil is hiding that evidence, and Yhwh is in collusion with him, enabling him to hide this evidence from his children.

                I understood you perfectly the first time, and I find it a thoroughly fascinating admission.

                Can’t say I fully understand Yhwh’s motives here in enabling the devil, but thanks for your input. It’s appreciated.

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              • Hello? John? Anybody home?

                ‘WE’ are not talking about millions of graves. YOU are.

                I am speaking of ONE burial place. Period. If the larger point is lost on you, I can’t help you.

                Maybe you have never heard of the Israeli tank that was found after being lost, reappearing under a mountain of sand in only forty years.
                You have no argument. None. Nada, Zippo. Nil. Nula. Zero.


              • Yes, that’s right, over THREE MILLION graves…. missing.

                But, as you said, the Devil is hiding those graves, and Yhwh is (for some unknown reason) in collusion with the Devil, enabling him to do it.


                Thank you.

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              • Don’t be a liar zande. I NEVER said the devil is hiding ANY grave.

                But this is your operating system, almost as extravagant as Windows.

                And leave Wally alone.


          • Did you ever come up with the burial place of Moses? Can you demonstrate, outside of the biblical text, that Moses even lived?
            “Why search for the living among the dead?” becomes “Why search for the dead among those who have actually lived?”


      • Imagine that! The all-powerful, all-knowing, all-smiting Lord G neglected to preserve any empirical evidence corroborating the historical accounts of his chosen people.

        In the words of Bugs Bunny: What a maroon!

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        • Hey ron-

          If you do not believe God created the heavens and the earth…………..

          ………..and the oceans of the deep……………why should He cater to the absurd requests for MORE proof that His word is good………

          God has never lost an argument to ants, bless those little industrious creatures.

          Back on point. Hope you and your kin enjoy your castigating of Wally for visiting Jerusalem. You should be proud.

          Oh to be so enrapt with the glories of atheism………….


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