Kia does Cat-urday: Why God created Cats.

Anubis or Sehkmet? You decide

With a hat tip to a Bluebird’s regular weekly post, I give you Peter’s comment on one of my older posts seems appropriate to the Cat-urday Post theme. Here is goes. Enjoy.

I think I should repost the joke about ‘Why God created Cats’:

“And God Created DOG to LOVE Man and CAT teach to him HUMILITY”

It is reported that the following edition of the Book of Genesis was discovered in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
And Adam said, “Lord, when I was in the garden, you walked with me everyday. Now I do not see you anymore. I am lonesome here and it is difficult for me to remember how much you love me.”

And God said, “No problem! I will create a companion for you that will be with you forever and who will be a reflection of my love for you, so that you will know I love you, even when you cannot see me.
Regardless of how selfish and childish and unlovable you may be, this new companion will accept you as you are and will love you as I do, in spite of yourself.”

And God created a new animal to be a companion for Adam. And it was a good animal. And God was pleased.

And the new animal was pleased to be with Adam and he wagged his tail. And Adam said, “But Lord, I have already named all the animals in the Kingdom and all the good names are taken and I cannot think of a name for this new animal.”

And God said, “No problem! Because I have created this new animal to be a reflection of my love for you, his name will be a reflection of my own name, and you will call him DOG.”

And Dog lived with Adam and was a companion to him and loved him. And Adam was comforted. And God was pleased. And Dog was content and wagged his tail.

After a while, it came to pass that Adam’s guardian angel came to the Lord and said, “Lord, Adam has become filled with pride. He struts and preens like a peacock and he believes he is worthy of adoration. Dog has indeed taught him that he is loved, but no one has taught him humility.”

And the Lord said, “No problem! I will create for him a companion who will be with him forever and who will see him as he is. The companion will remind him of his limitations, so he will know that he is not worthy of adoration.”

And God created CAT to be a companion to Adam. And Cat would not obey Adam. And when Adam gazed into Cat’s eyes, he was reminded that he was not the supreme being. And Adam learned humility.

And God was pleased. And Adam was greatly improved.

And Cat did not care one way or the other.

See. I told you it would tickle your funny bone. Now go out there and live out a “Non Disastrous” Saturday. 

-kia

My Journey pt 4: “An Interview with ‘a’ KIA” for InfectedSaint: Why I Quit The Faith

(((Reposting 4/28/17 from last year)))

Brad Pitt, “Eat your heart out”

Hi there. I recently had the pleasure of responding to a few questions from a fellow blogger named Dax who has a PhD from a Christian College and is in Ministry. His aim was to do a Blog Post about me, a Deconvert from Christianity, and ask me some questions that might “Open” and unpack the issues and reasons for my departure from the Faith I held for 34 yrs proclaimed for 25 yrs in Avocational Ministry of various roles. You can read his Blog Post HERE.  It should have been “Why I Left the Faith”, but I’ll give him that… it’s his post and I didn’t think it was unfair at all. I kind of liked the post. It was after all, All About Me

His blog, Infected Saint,  is HERE if you’d like to check him out. He seems to be a serious person and thinker. Although we may disagree on certain issues from perspectives of where we both are on our journey’s, I have generally found him to be clever, insightful and intelligent in conversation and tone. A pleasure to exchange with in the spirit of mutual respect and inquiry. Thank you once again Dax for allowing me the opportunity to share just a part of my Journey.

Here are the His Questions and My Answers:  

1. What do you consider yourself and would you please explain what it means to you?

*** what I am asking here is do you consider yourself an atheist or agnostic or something else and what do you mean by that.

Answer #1

I don’t really know how i would Identify. as least not at this point in time. i don’t think i’m atheist because i still believe there ‘might’ be a god/gods, but i no longer believe we would ever know it if there were, nor would we be able to demonstrate their existence in the ‘real’ world. i guess for me, at least for now, the question becomes irrelevant. Who am i now? I’m just me, like i’ve always been. That’s who I am.

2. You were one time in the Christian Faith. Could you explain how you came to be part of the Christian Faith and how committed would you say you were to the faith?

Answer#2

Yes, I was a christian/disciple of Jesus for 34 yrs, 25 of those in what i will refer to as ‘Avocational’ ministry of various forms. From teaching, evangelism (street and otherwise), international missions in two different countries and the US in the inner cities of the phoenix AZ area (gangs and kids pre-gang). I’ve led home groups, led worship in small groups, outreach and church settings and have discipled men (my personal forte and passion for the last 20 years). I’d say i was about as committed and flexible a ‘disciple of Jesus’ I’ve ever known without remaining a celebate, lifelong missionary in a third world country. I’ll match my ministry C.V. to anyone, any day.

3. Why did you leave the faith? Would you describe that journey?

Answer#3

Evidence. Evidence had convinced me that i had been wrong about the very foundations of the Truth Claims and claims to Archaeological/Historical accuracy and the Textural Integrity of the Bible as a whole as God’s Word. to quote a verse slightly modified, “If the foundations be destroyed…” what is a christian to do but deconvert?

4. What is your take on Christians today? If you had then all gathered up in a room to listen to you what would you say?

Answer#4

My take on Christians today? I would hope they are like me, asking questions and searching for answers, even if those answers lead them away from what they believed as irrefutable and incontrovertible Truth. What would I say? Don’t be afraid to Think, read and question for yourself. Don’t ever stop growing in your knowledge and curiosity of the world around you and how you fit into it. Overall, Think for yourself and don’t let anyone tell you to just accept the answers you are given. 

5. What advice would you give Christians on dialoging with those they disagree with?

Answer#5

Be respectful, diligent and courteous. listen and allow yourself to think thru the questions and the answers from both positions. “seek first to understand, then to be understood”. be open and ready to learn, but also ready to express and exchange what you hold to be true. 

6. If Christianity is a farce why do you think millions and millions have followed it since the time of Jesus, many even to their deaths?

Answer#6

Millions of people believing something to be true, “even unto death” is not evidence of it actually being true. realize, there are millions of Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus who have also lived and died for the Truth of their beliefs. would you concede the same ‘value’ to their convictions that they are true beliefs? i’m not sure you would. 

(((  That’s my best attempt at answering your questions. I hope i’ve done my part of the conversation and it is helpful for you and those who read on your blog. Thank you again for the opportunity.  -KIA )))

Dax’s response to my answers requesting Clarification:

Yes thanks. The only change would be question #6. I am actually not asking that apologetically, like I am trying to persuade. I was more coming from the angle of why do you think millions and millions follow even to death? What do you think leads to such dedication if faith not genuine. I was interested in your opinion

And my Clarification based on his request:

“Genuineness of faith is not the issue. The truth of what one believes is. I can only answer for myself and possibly you can apply liberally.

They believe, as I believed, and do such things, as I did, because they believe with all their hearts, minds, souls and strength that what they believe is actually true. No one questions or should question the genuineness of such a ones faith. It’s a malformed question that leads to the answer I gave for what I understood as the implied end of the question.

People do amazing things everyday for beliefs that are the most absurd. Take the bombing of the WTC and more recently Paris in November and Brussels a couple of days ago. It lends no evidence or credence to the truth of ones convictions or beliefs that one is willing to die for them. Thus my original answer.

I hope that clarifies it a bit more.”

-KIA

I do encourage all to go to his blog and comment, like and if so inclined, Subscribe. I still believe dialogue, discussion and open, free exchange and engagement is the best way to break down barriers and understand each other.

There are so many bloggers out there in the so-called “Christian Internet Apologetics” blogosphere who pay only slight lip service to what they claim. They claim to be places of Ideas, Answers and Interchange for Doubters, Skeptics and Thinkers. Instead, they offer censorship and Passive Aggressive Bullying to those who won’t submit.

I believe, I hope it to be the case, that Dax is of the sort to stay open and conversant enough with those who disagree with him that he is able to listen and understand the real issues underlying the Reasons I and others have Left “The Faith once delivered” after many years and even, in my case, decades as followers of Jesus.

Thank you for reading and following my journey as The Recovering Know It All.

-KIA

Turn about is Fair Play: Brother Dax Responds

((Reposting 4/28/17 for perspective on our recent exchanges -kia))

The Interviewer Responds…

No… not THAT Christian…

Hi there all you wonderful people. My earlier POST on this brother’s BLOG answering questions for me a Christian Deconvert went so well and was such a success for civil and polite exchange that we decided it would be nice to do another. This time I will ask the questions and Dax of “The Infected Saint” will do the answering.

I’ve taken it easy on him, as you can see, and only included three questions to his six for me, but I have to admit they are a bit heavy, “Bang for the Buck” if you will.

Here they are, so why not tell me how he did in the comments below.

While you’re at it, if you are a believer in Jesus or a Christian of any stripe, why not take a crack at the questions yourself? I’m open to discussion and exchange, not always to arguments or debates, as one sided preaching monologues don’t do much for two way communication.  Especially as I have probably heard, read or even repeated whatever you’re thinking of anyway in my 34 yrs as a Christian or the 25 yrs I spent in avocational ministry.

Honestly, I’m more interested in discussion and exchange that proselytizing these days, if you get my drift. So open up those minds and apply fingers to keyboards and show me what you got.  Thx.   -Kia
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(((( Before we get to the questions and answers, I wanted to admit that while I have not changed his Words or Wording, I have taken the liberty in editing the Formatting of his answers for clarity, understanding and careful consideration.  It has not been my intention with this ‘Reformatting’ to skew or misrepresent his answers in any way, but only to make them easier to understand, digest and consider. I apologize in advance for any offence this may cause. -KIA

And Brother Dax has a word of Disclaimer also that I wanted to pass on in fairness and transparency:)))

“Disclaimer: I write these answers from my personal experience and knowledge. I purposely leave out scripture references because I am not trying to build a case here. I understand many who read this do not give any credence to the bible as authoritative anyway. I do not write this apologetically as much as is humanly possible for me at least. I don’t have intentions of defending God or proselytizing anyone with this. I would like to do that, honestly, in other discussions but below I am trying to answer as much as I can in a vacuum. “

((( And now… On with the Show )))

Hey there brother Dax

I got my questions together. I’m taking it easy on you 😉 only 3.

1) how did you become a Christian? (Please briefly tell your conversion story.)

“I became a Christian at 17 years of age, May 11, 1992. I had grown up in the Mormon faith. I began to question my beliefs around 17 and my investigations of reading the bible and Book of Mormon revealed to me the discrepancies. My questions came when I began to notice the Book of Mormon as a poor paraphrase of the King James with strange additions. Further investigation showed the major discrepancies in the book. The Mormon faith looked like the Christian Faith with a new hairdo. It was the Bible plus some man-pleasing frills and thrills. I began to study the Bible and in reading Romans 10 I was overwhelmed with my own smallness in the universe and in the sight of God. I didn’t feel belittled by God; I felt unworthy in comparison to His greatness. In that moment I cried out to God and asked Him to reveal Himself to me.

He did. I was overwhelmed by His grace and love. I have never felt or known such peace as I did in that moment. I knew there was a God and I wasn’t him. I knew that I was unworthy of His love but that He loved me anyway. I was unworthy because I was selfish and proud. I didn’t obey my parents. I lied some. I cheated some. I didn’t live righteously. In my moments of greatest shame over this, I found the courage to face it because of His presence. It was the most powerful thing I have ever experienced to this day. I wept all night and thanked God.

My mind and heart were at peace like I have never known before. It was truly life altering. An amazing experience of divine encounter. It became my passion and my calling.”

2)  would you say that it was evidence, historical/archaeological, that first convinced you that Christianity was true or did you just believe?

“I did not have any “evidence” when I first had faith in God. I did begin to study these things after though.

My focus was in the ancient languages, which I majored in at College. I studied intensely Greek and Hebrew. While textual variants existed I was amazed at how theologically intact and unified the scriptures were from the sources we have. The Dead Sea Scrolls were a great find for confirming the consistency of the OT as well. I have read archaeological findings that support historical places mentioned in the Bible. I have been to Israel and seen the ancient cities that confirmed for me some of the descriptions found in the scriptures.

At the end of the day I still willfully admit I lean on faith as my rock. If Noah’s Ark ruins were found on a mountain in Turkey, I don’t think I would believe more strongly than I do right now.”

3) what, if anything, would convince you that the bible and or Christianity was false? (I’m not asking for a litany of reasons that you believe them to be true, but what would convince you that they are not true)

  • “You would have to take away my personal experience in God’s revealing himself to me. You would have to take my wife away whom I married before our first date as God led me to her (long but cool story).
  • You would have to show me proof that Jesus didn’t live or that he didn’t die and resurrect. You would have to show me that the scriptures were false. I am well versed in the Pseudepigrapha. I know there are other gospels and writings out there. But I know that the Canon has been shown to be consistent and well supported.
  • It would take a lot for me not to believe. My faith centers around Christ. You would need to start there.”

Well brother, thx again for the opportunity to exchange ideas.


I’m looking forward to everyone else’s answers also. And if you have comments, questions or input for Dax on his answers, please feel free to Comment and Discuss below. I’m sure both Dax and I would love to hear from you.

-Kia

Xtian Haiku: Freedom is Inevitable

Recovery Escape Pod

I am not the first

And I will not be the last

There is room for all.

-kia

My continuing Journey. 

Our transition from people of Faith in a Book written by fearful and supersititious men and it’s Story of Salvation from the wrath of its God to men and women of our own destiny is a fluid and changing narrative. There are those who would hinder and divert the progress. People for whom fear and insecurity is their only hope. There are others whose desire is to silence and and curse my egress as if it were their darkness. 

I don’t know where I’m going but I know where I’ve been.

I spent 34 years knowing all the answers, now I know that I  don’t even know all the questions. ‘Invasion of the Body Snatchers’ had it right. I wass taken over and used for the Bondage of others and myself. But I’ve broken out of the Pod. I’m escaping to Freedom. I want to know… not just believe. How about you? The ship is going down. Flames all around us… engulfing us… becoming us. There’s room for one more. Another seat beside mine, maybe more. “To boldly go…” where no Christian had gone before. OK, maybe a few have. But not us… Yet.

Let go of your Fear, your insecurity, your pride, your certainty. Embrace the Unknown. Reach forth to what has been denied you, what has been Removed from you at New Birth. Become who you were born to be. 

The Escape Pod launches soon… Be on it. Its time for you to stop being satisfied with just Believing. Turn on again your desire to Know. “Ask, Seek, Knock…” Are all well and good, but the answers are beyond what you have been told. Yes, Trust but also Verify. 

Are you ready? 3…2…1…Launch!!!

-kia

My Journey pt 7: So Much More Without Him than I was With Him

Without Him I am Nothing?

Self Esteem vs Christ Esteem

I used to think this was the most profound statement of faith that described the life of a Disciple of Jesus. I now see it for the lie that it is.

While promising worth and value ‘In Christ’, it violently negates any value or worth or ‘personhood’ outside of Him. At once it seeks to give meaning and purpose to people, mostly young people like I was at fifteen years old and then again at twenty two,  who naturally are struggling for meaning and purpose in their lives. The reverse image of this supposedly affirming picture is assertion that meaning and purpose ONLY come from Identity In Christ.  Of course I know this now to be false and damaging to young minds at the exact point where they should be being encouraged to become who they want to be, learn what interests them, and grow into the full stature of adulthood.

Are people just “Joe Dirt”?

Instead they, and by they I mean I and many others like me, are told not only that they are worthless and valueless pieces of dirt ( ‘adama’ clay is it?) that can only be and do and have breath and meaning by grovelling at the feet of a ‘loving father’ who may have only ‘created them for destruction’ but now offers Identity only in Himself… but also that even when they come to receive the marvelous gift of ‘Christ in you, the hope of Glory’ they STILL have no value, worth, meaning or purpose outside of Him. Their lives, if they do them rightly as a Disciple of Jesus, will continue to be grovelling and begging and kneeling in defeated submission the feet of their ‘loving father’.

Is there no Escape even After Deconversion?

And don’t you ever think of leaving. It’s not that you’ll go back to being that piece of dirt… you still ARE that piece of dirt. It’s that NOW you’ll have God to fight and His ally, your own mind telling you are even lower than whale scum without Christ to provide your value. And His people, still afraid of their own value without Christ, will tell you you need LESS self esteem, not more… MORE Christ esteem, not less. They’ll tell you that you need to be ‘Childlike’ forever to be fully Human and Adult.

Paradise is a Prison Planet

The truth is that you’ve been lied to and held in bondage to a mental, emotional and spiritual childhood that has Stopped, Stunted and in some cases Regressed your growth and value as a individual person and adult human… unless you’ve accommodated your Christianity to allow for your Self Esteem, then you aren’t being honest with the full implications of your ‘Nothingness’ without Christ.

The real story of “Nothing Without Christ” is that even after you accept Christ, you are STILL Nothing even IN Christ. Jesus is ALL. You are Nothing. Is this reality? Is this healthy? Is this truth?  No. No it is not. The problem with Christianity’s “Nothing without Christ” is that it is Self Immolation and Self Destruction.

But there is Escape… you can still be Free. Think for yourself. Ask questions. Challenge the ‘answers’. You DO have value, worth, meaning and purpose in yourself. It’s been stolen from you. Take it back. It’s not easy and it is painful, but it can be done. Commit to Recovery. Commit to YOU today.

-KIA

Questions for Christians this Easter Weekend: Forgiveness for a Price 

If the one who is wronged punishes Himself on behalf of the criminal to secure Forgiveness for him… couldn’t He just Forgive without the Self abuse?


And if Justice is ‘meeted out’ by actually punishing not the Criminal but rather the Victim of his crime, is that really Justice?

The story is supposed to be about God giving people an opportunity to Return to Him by Forgiving their offences and wiping the slate clean.

If God then takes the punishment on Himself for offenses done to Himself, can He not… Just Forgive all those who simply come without the Kabuki Theater of a Human Blood sacrifice OF Himself TO Himself FOR Himself?

If He is God, then He can.  He could have chosen to do whatever he wanted to do for the Salvation of mankind, the clearing of the Debt.  Or do you say He is Limited and Restricted in His options? Then perhaps He is not worthy of the Title.

You agree then that He’s not limited or restricted? The question then becomes, If He could have… why didn’t He…

Just Forgive? He asks us to Forgive our enemies without revenge or recompense. Is He unable or unwilling to “do as I say” or is it “not as I do”?

Forgiveness forgives without punishment, price or recompense to anyone involved. If your concept of God “requires human blood sacrifice” even of Himself, to Himself for Himself… It’s not true forgiveness, but just another Pagan Human Blood Sacrifice of someone who didn’t commit the crime and therefore isn’t liable for the Payment. Your cries for “God’s Justice” to be fulfilled by the death of an innocent man on a cross he didn’t deserve become Injustice and an Unjust Death at the hands of other men, but by the Design and Determination of your “Just” God.

Why not just Forgive… Like He requires us to do?

-kia

For CS’s Amusement Tonight

Just read the post HERE and peruse the comments section to understand the reference. What a F*ck Wit. Lol. On Earth Day no less! This is exactly why we need to defend Science for religious mythology.

More CS-like idiocy 

And this tongue-in-cheek assessment 

Best Earth Day gift EVER!! Thx ColorStorm. LOL!! And thanks to brother Peter for letting me know about the hilarious conversation going on. 

-kia