(((UPDATED AND REPOSTED 4/9/17 for Amanda’s information. She doesnt know if there were any secular historians in the first century. Silly little girl, as they say… “Google is your friend”. Let’s have another go at the question that will never be answered honestly, shall we?-kia)))
Here’s a word from another friend Wally about what’s at stake
“Without a bodily resurrection, our entire faith simply melts away. Without the Resurrection, Jesus was not God; he was just a martyred prophet. Without the Resurrection, every single prophecy about it is false; that renders the Bible false. Without the Resurrection, even Jesus’ own prophecies about His death and Resurrection were false, making Him not even a real prophet, but a false one. ” – Wally. Christian blogger “extraordinaire”, Truth in Palmyra.
Here’s the “Original” Article
How to win souls and influence nobody
Well, at least he understands what is at stake. Next, he should try demonstrating such a thing actually happened in history not just “His-Story”.
The Challenge few are willing to Accept
Go ahead, give us the…
- 1st century contemporary
- secular historians
that documented this Greatest Story Ever Told at the time it happened…
- The life,
of the New Testament Jesus.. I’ll be waiting.
The Original “Flavor Flav!!”: A life long Jew for Jesus?
And don’t try to use Josephus’s writings. He was only 6yrs old roughly when Jesus was supposed to have Suffered His Passion, and he wrote in the mid-90s.
Not contemporary. Not first hand.
Even if his ‘Testamonium’ were authentic and not ‘interpolated’ much later as MOST scholars agree it was… it would only be hearsay of what Christians ‘believed’ to be True ™ at the time, not what Joe ‘knew‘ to be true.
The Problem with Joe…
Before Eusebius in the 4th century, not one of the Apologists for the Faith ever quotes from his famous “Flavian Testimony”.
Curious yeah?… since they most certainly would have had it been written by said author when he published his in 93-97ad. Most scholars consider this Raving Reference to Jesus as the Messiah and “if it be lawful to call him a man” to be at the very least a partial if not a complete “Interpolation”.
Translation for those who don’t speak ‘Apologetese‘… Interpolation: a later Forged insertion into and alteration of the original text.
An even clearer, albeit more colloquial and ‘Vulgate’ term would be… Bull S#!t. Most scholars believe that it was probably “interpolated” by the one who first quoted it… Eusebius himself. Because not even the person Eusebius got HIS copy of ‘Josephus’ from ever quoted or referred to it before. And like I said,
… no one else did either.
Tacitus in Tatters?: ‘Christians tell the strangest stories’
“Also not like that guy Tacitus, just repeating what some Christians at the time ‘believed’ to be True ™.”
So, I repeat the challenge to Wally or anyone else claiming to stand on solid Historical and Archaeological grounds… Bring out the
- 1st century
- secular historians
that documented this Greatest Story Ever Told as it happened, as eyewitnesses or first hand accounts…
- the Life,
- Death and
of the New Testament Jesus of Nazareth.
Historical Truth just doesn’t seem to mean the same thing to some people
“The Writers of the Bible Clearly Describe Jesus as Being Divine”
– the Apprentice/neophyte Internet Apologist Extraordinaire, Wally
Of course they do, Brother Wally… 🙂 But please, enlighten us with “the True Light that Lights the World”. Have a go then. Go on… I’m waiting.