From a conversation of sorts with Color Storm.
I was answering his post regarding a comment left by someone else that referred to the subtitle of Hitchens’ book. I had told him that I didn’t necessarily agree that religion poisons everything either, but I asked him if he’d read the book or listened to the audio book even. I could already have presumed the answer based on my own experience as a Christian that he wouldn’t really allow himself to do so. “Be careful little eyes…”. But he answered me this..
Just because there is a bottle of poison on the shelf, that does not mean I have to drink it to see if the label is correct. I am well aware of DeGrasse, Nye, Maher, Sagan, Hawkins, etc, they are cut out of the same rags and mildew.
To which gave me the opportunity to clarify my previous answer which I will post here just in case he doesn’t allow it in his comments section.
Not sure physical poison is the same as encountering ideas that are different. For the latter, actually reading and considering them is necessary before dismissing them as “poison”. Otherwise you’re just being dishonest and reinforcing the fear of information you refuse to consider. Self imposed mind and thought control, color storm. Very much like what you would consider Cultic activity if you were looking from the outside at someone else. I could recommend John Loftus’s Outsiders Test for Faith. It’s difficult for us to ‘test’ our own beliefs the way we would those of others. But to be an honest and integrity driven person, it is a necessary activity.
I was once like you, refusing to see or consider anything outside of the Christian bubble. Marking everything outside as “poison” to my Faith, unwilling and unable to evaluate the real truth of the claims of my own Faith, Christianity or it’s foundation, the bible. Although I was not as antagonistic and hostile towards others who questioned or challenged me as you are, i once lived behind the solid walls of “know it all”, secure in the knowledge that we were right and everyone else was wrong and headed for perdition.
I was wrong, and so are you. I did wake up John, but you’re still dreaming, afraid to open your eyes and face the day. The real poison of religion, in our case chriatianity specifically, is that it encourages us to work against ourselves and turns us into our own jailers and wardens in the POW camp of the mind, prisoners to a war we didn’t start, that we can’t win and will never be totally rid of. Religion doesn’t poison everything, but it does poison us… and to the extent that we let the false parts of our Faiths infect both our realities and that of those around us… We as religious or Faithful people do the rest. Religion doesn’t poison everything. It poisons us and then WE poison everything. I hope I’ve made my point clear. Have a great day. Recovery Awaits, brother john.
Seeing From the outside now, having been away from Church, Christ and Christianity for a few years now, I can recognize the fear and insecurity and even sheer arrogance that drives the kind of “everything OTHER is poison” mentality.
When you think that you have the Truth ™ and that Apostasy leads only to death and a fiery eternal fate, letting go and allowing other ideas or thoughts, or examining long held and cherished beliefs carries what you think are huge eternal consequences, both for yourself and those around you.
It’s a big reason Christian bloggers and amateur internet apologists moderate heavily their comments sections. Self Protection and protection of the Faith of other people who might be “poisoned” by contradictory evidence. It’s a reason that they often become so aggressive and hostile with those who ask questions or present ideas and evidence counter to what they believe to be true.
If you can’t Dazzel them with Evidence, and you can’t even Baffle them with B’.S. then you can at least attack them and run them off your blog comment section so you and your readers no longer have to hear them or consider what they are saying. I’m sure we habe all had those experiences and could name the names of Christian bloggers who have stooped to this last tactic as their only remaining resort.
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Those who don’t want you to think are never your friends.
My encouragement for today, for those still in “The Faith once delivered to the saints…” and for those not into never allow anything or anyone to stop you from thinking, or hearing, or reading or considering ideas counter or different from those you currently hold to be truth. And lastly, never allow anything or anyone keep you from examining your beliefs as if from an Outsiders Perspective, as you would the beliefs of others. Truthfully some Words and Ideas can be poison but they aren’t like Arsenic or Strychnine. It’s only Fear, Insecurity and sometimes sheer Arrogance that tells you they are. Recovery Awaits.