Life without Jesus a Disaster?

(((Update:  Bruce also has a wonderful response post to Dax on his blog as well. Why not check his out HERE. -kia)))

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In answer to a recent post by a bogging buddy, Dax 

I’ll take science and knowledge over fear and ignorance any day. 

When your Faith tells you that your life is meaningless and a disaster, when it tells you that your life has no value or purpose but what the God of the Bible assigns, when people who are bound and still chained in Plato’s Cave encourage you to stay satisfied and content in your prison of Shadows and Darkness rather than venture out into the Light and Freedom of Reality… as it really is.

Fear Trumps, they’re counting on it 

They are expressing their own fear that you might be free, have meaning, purpose, value and worth apart from their delusion. And they’re afraid that it might be possible for them too… but they are too afraid of the unknown and uncertainty to take that chance. 

The happy delusion becomes the ‘lesser of two evils’

  • The evil that it might all really be a delusion 

Vs

  • the evil that it might all really be a delusion… but I’m happy and content not knowing, and too afraid to find out.

We know which one “wins” for most people trapped in the clutches of a Loving God who also threatens Eternal Torture for not ‘loving’ Him back… 

The Devil you know, vs the one you don’t always has the stronger appeal.

But you don’t have to live in fear, ignorance and delusion that your life has no value, worth, purpose or meaning without absolute and total submission to a God who asks your for Faith in lieu of Evidence for His existence. 

Break the chains, get up and walk out of the cave into the bright light of… Reality. Recovery Awaits!!

-kia

To some people, there are no Innocents, only ‘Guiltys’ worthy of Death for having been Born

(((And no, I’m not going to link to his blog. Its not cowardice as has been charged. The idea presented is more important than the person who presented it. That and he says constantly that he doesn’t and won’t read here anyway. -kia)))

Very interesting proposition

“If one searches the Scriptures they will find no examples of God killing innocent people. In fact, compared to God’s holiness, there is no such thing as an innocent person at all. As the Bible says, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23), and the wages of sin are death (Romans 6:23a).” -Another Amateur Internet Apologist 

James, would you consider the newborn baby in 2 Samuel 12 to have been guilty of sin and thus worthy of God’s judgement in torturing it for seven days before killing it shortly after birth?

“And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord . And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.  Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.” 2Samuel 12:13‭-‬14 KJV

Please tell us how the Just action was to Forgive without penalty or atonement David, the rapist of Bathsheba, and adulterous killer of Uriah, and yet kill the newborn child. 

“And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:  All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.  And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.” Genesis 7:21‭-‬23 KJV

“All flesh”, I guess that would include all the animals that didn’t make it in the Ark (which are sinless even by Christian theology), all the children and babies under the ‘age of accountability’. 

“And it came to pass, that at midnight the Lord smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.  And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead.”Exodus 12:29‭-‬30 KJV

And I suppose all the children and beasts (animals) of Egypt were guilty of grave sin just for having been firstborn? 

No examples of God killing the Innocent in the entire Bible? Puhlese! Either you are not reading your Bible or you are redefining the definition of guilt and innocence. James, you’re kidding yourself and lying to your readers. The God of the Bible kills anyone, anytime, for anything He chooses at that particular moment or juncture to kill. Anytime, for any reason. 

It’s a very good thing He’s a fictional character in a Horror story called the Bible. But it’s not True, it’s not Reality. It’s just more Astounding Bulls#!t from the Bible and those who defend this monster described in its pages.

-kia  

The God of the Innocents

Retelling the Ultimate Biblical Story of “The man after God’s own Heart” 

“And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord . And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die. 

The Biblical God acquits the guilty. There is no mention of an Atoning Sacrifice for Sin here or anything other than David’s confession of guilt and God’s acceptance of David’s contrition. You see, God can indeed ‘just forgive’ if He wants to.

 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. 

Maybe there is a sacrifice after all. Perhaps the child is the sacrifice. But ‘Human Child Sacrifice’? This doesn’t seem like the Lord God of the Bible, does it? (See Genesis 22 or read up on jepthah)

 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife bare unto David, and it was very sick. 

God strikes a newborn baby with terminal illness right from the womb, before it either ‘knows right from wrong’ or has even had a chance to do or even think anything remotely evil, sinful or rebellious. The baby is truly Innocent and born with a “Right to Life” which God Himself will Choose to Recind. 

 David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth. And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them. And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. 

SEVEN DAYS!! God caused this Innocent newborn baby to suffer SEVEN DAYS? Allowed David, the Mother and the whole household both Vain Hope and crushing Dispair for SEVEN DAYS before finally killing a newborn baby who was Completely Innocent of any wrongdoing? While David, the raping, adulterous murderer got off Scott free without a scratch with simple confession and contrition?

And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead? But when David saw that his servants whispered, David perceived that the child was dead: therefore David said unto his servants, Is the child dead? And they said, He is dead. 

The servants were more worried for David’s sanity and we’ll being than David was apparantly. What father wouldn’t agonize an be completely destroyed knowing his child was dying a torturous and drawn out death in the next room, and then upon learning of the final painful breaths having left the Innocent baby’s lungs, not gone completely suicidal? David, the Servant of God, that’s who.

 Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the Lord , and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat. Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread. 

Like nothing ever happened. 

  • Like he’d never raped the baby’s mother. 
  • Like he’d never had the mother’s husband killed to cover his adultery. 
  • Like he’d never lied to the people who trusted him as their Leader and God Ordained King by ‘marrying’ his victim and trying to deceive his people into thinking she was ‘with child’ AFTER they had ‘wed’. 

Like the child had never been born at all.

And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether God will be gracious to me, that the child may live? But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.”-2 Samuel 12:13‭-‬23 KJV

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Absolutely Unbelievable. 

Truly astounding how I used to read this and never really understood the true horror of both David and his crimes, but also the Cruelty and ‘inhumanity’ of the Biblical God. 

Along with many Christians I imagine, this story was once a story of redemption and God’s big capacity for forgiveness. A story of God protecting the necessary line to the Messiah Jesus, without whom we would all perish in eternal torment. I understood and agreed with god that the child had to die to keep God’s promise to David unsullied by an illigitimate and shameful birth and to bring ‘closure’ to the forgiveness David had received so freely.

Yet the Biblical God:

  • Gave David a free ‘get out of punishment’ card with a whimper and an “I’m sorry”. 
  • Without outright saying it in the text, the Righteous and Holy and Compassionate God of the Bible allows the baby to be born, 
  • then proceeds to strike it Terminally Ill for David’s sin that was easily forgiven him… 
  • making the Innocent Child suffer the agony of SEVEN LONG DAYS 
  • before finally dying as a Human Child Sacrifice of penalty.

At this point something should be crystal clear. 

This vision of morality and righteousness, right and wrong has no business existing in reality. This is not the image of an all knowing, all powerful, all Good and all Merciful and God who actually cares about Justice and Punishment for Sin and Empathy, Protection and Compassion for the Innocent.

This is the Image of a bronze age, moral monster. Cruel, vindictive, narcissistic, sadistic, capricious, murderous and anything but worthy of our worship and obedience. It’s a very good thing such a Morally Repugnant and Dangerously Malevolent being doesn’t actually exist in reality.

I’ve said before since my Deconversion from Christianity, Im technically Agnostic now. There may in fact be some god or gods out there that we would never have the ability to detect, know anything about or even conceive of. But I’m definitely Atheist with regard to the Biblical God. Such a Monster is man-made and pure Myth and Fiction. 

To kill an Innocent newborn baby to protect and ‘forgive’ a Guilty, self confessed, lying, raping, murderous adulterer?

 If that’s the best you’ve got, then keep looking. You haven’t found Him yet.

-kia

Questions for Christians this Easter Weekend: Forgiveness for a Price 

If the one who is wronged punishes Himself on behalf of the criminal to secure Forgiveness for him… couldn’t He just Forgive without the Self abuse?


And if Justice is ‘meeted out’ by actually punishing not the Criminal but rather the Victim of his crime, is that really Justice?

The story is supposed to be about God giving people an opportunity to Return to Him by Forgiving their offences and wiping the slate clean.

If God then takes the punishment on Himself for offenses done to Himself, can He not… Just Forgive all those who simply come without the Kabuki Theater of a Human Blood sacrifice OF Himself TO Himself FOR Himself?

If He is God, then He can.  He could have chosen to do whatever he wanted to do for the Salvation of mankind, the clearing of the Debt.  Or do you say He is Limited and Restricted in His options? Then perhaps He is not worthy of the Title.

You agree then that He’s not limited or restricted? The question then becomes, If He could have… why didn’t He…

Just Forgive? He asks us to Forgive our enemies without revenge or recompense. Is He unable or unwilling to “do as I say” or is it “not as I do”?

Forgiveness forgives without punishment, price or recompense to anyone involved. If your concept of God “requires human blood sacrifice” even of Himself, to Himself for Himself… It’s not true forgiveness, but just another Pagan Human Blood Sacrifice of someone who didn’t commit the crime and therefore isn’t liable for the Payment. Your cries for “God’s Justice” to be fulfilled by the death of an innocent man on a cross he didn’t deserve become Injustice and an Unjust Death at the hands of other men, but by the Design and Determination of your “Just” God.

Why not just Forgive… Like He requires us to do?

-kia

Embrace True Forgiveness

(((In THIS post, James asks… “did jesus have to die for your sins?” His answer is Yes, because the debt must be paid. But is that Forgiveness? I think not. 

My question back to James, if he allowed my comments on his blog, which he doesn’t, would be  “Cannot the One who made up the rules and is Only offended by their abrogation just simply… Forgive? 

My answer is… Yes. Yes he can. But why doesn’t He? -kia)))

“True Forgiveness is me giving up my right to any Recompense for the wrong you have done to me. It means neither you or anyone else has to pay the Penalty or the Price. Otherwise it’s not Forgiveness, but just Punishment or Scapegoating someone else to keep you from needing Give what only you can give… True Forgiveness… Forgives.” -kia

In Christianity and according to the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, 

  • God creates the World, Us and All there is
  • He makes the rules
  • Only He is ‘ultimately’ offended
  • Ultimately, He is the Creditor
  • Only He is Unchanging and Unchangeable
  • Nothing we do or say can ever minimize or diminish What and Who He is

He could just Forgive, 

  • but He chooses to Recompense Eternal Punishment and Torture for finite offenses during our finite lifetimes. 

He could just Forgive, 

  • but His Glory ‘demands’ Payment, whether by You and I in a place of Everlasting Fire or His Own Son on an equally Finite torture and death on a cross. 

Only He is ultimately offended. 

  • Only He is able to Forgive and Release the Sinner from the Price and Penalty by True Forgiveness… Relinquishing His Rights to Recompense… on You or anyone else FOR you.

He could just Forgive… wouldn’t You? 

  • Have you asked yourself, christian… If He can and He could… Why won’t He and Why doesn’t He?

Embrace True Forgiveness Today. 

My Hope for you who are still as I once was, a Christian Slave to a False System of Divine Human Sacrifice and Eternal bondage or Eternal punishment… is that you would simply walk away from the False Forgiveness and system of Penalty, Price, Punishment and Pain. That you would learn that There is no Scapegoat. There is only True Forgiveness… or Recompense.

“I set before you Life… therefore, Choose Life”-kia paraphrase

Choose True Forgiveness Today and Give it to others Freely.

-kia

“The Salem Witchcraft Argument Against The Resurrection Of Jesus” and WordPress Blog fraud in the name of defending Jesus.

Oh james… adding things to my comments again that I didn’t write? Caught you didn’t i, you dishonest fuck. My last comment to him on his post…

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James, you realize that you are perpetrating a fraud in creating comments for me that I haven’t said and editing comments to say what I haven’t?

Fraud, buddy. I’m copying these to forward to wordpress. 

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April 23, 2017 • 9:56 am

There is a wonderful video I once watched on the Resurrection of jesus and evidences of real witchcraft in Salem Massachusetts. I’ll have to find it again and create a post for you James.
Thx again for the writing prompt James, (((this next bit is what james added. It was not in my original comment))) my readers and I will have a great time ridiculing you and your idiotic beliefs I’m sure, lol.

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And he just created THIS one whole cloth… I did not write it 

April 23, 2017 • 1:13 pm

Why aren’t you replying to my comments you stupid fuck? Watch the video I posted yet?
Nah, probably not, why would you when you are afraid of the truth?

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*** I did not post that comment at all on James’s blog. He made it up whole cloth as if I said it, attached my IP address and email address that he had in the comments section of his administration, and CREATED what he wanted others to think I had said. ***


Do you all realize what james just did? James just ghosted my Identity in his comments section to say what I didn’t say… Do you realize the inherent danger involved in someone doing that? Stealing your identity to say what he wants you to say? 

Could he not have me say threats of violence and racist epithets? Could he not have me say things that have REAL WORLD legal implications for me and my family? 

This is as scary as it gets

  • It’s one thing to moderate and block someone from commenting on your posts. That is ubiquitous on Christian blogs claiming to be apologetics sites for discussion, answers and free exchange of ideas… like James claims for his.
  • It’s another to edit out parts of comments that you don’t want to be seen, inserting your own commentary as to why you are doing it. CS is pretty famous for this as well as some others.
  • It’s another thing COMPLETELY to edit and ADD words and sentences to other people’s comments that they did not say, making it seem like they are saying what they did not say. 

But you’ve entered a whole new genre of crazy and legally questionable grounds when you actually CREATE WHOLE CLOTH comments that the other person did not say, in order to fraudulently put words in their mouths and paint them they way you want to portray them in a public space. 

You could very easily make them say ‘virtually’ (pun intended) ANYTHING you want them to, even legally actionable and dangerous things. This is what WordPress Internet Apologetics Blogs are down to “in the name of Jesus” to defend their Faith.

Dishonesty, Identity Theft and Fraud in the Name of Christ. And if I hadn’t been checking on my comments that were in moderation over there, I never would have known. 

Of course, now he’s erased all previous comments trying to cover his tracks. Thank god for copy and paste. I have the evidence, James you fucking moron!

Christians… is THIS who you want representing YOU online? Is THIS who you want representing the Jesus you love, serve and follow? Then fight back against the very worst of the Amateur Internet Apologists on the WordPress Blogosphere. Tell them to STOP these activities immediately.

-kia

Xtian Poem: Our Lot on Earth

Monday’s Toil 

Back to work, our lot on earth
To toil away, forestalling Mirth
Till Monday’s efforts bring Friday’s worth
It’s back to work, our lot on earth.
-KIA

My Top Three Mantras for the Workplace

1. Every day is a Job Interview. Always display your best stuff. 

2. Always work in such a way as to be the Most Valuable Player on your Team. Build your ‘Net Worth’ in the eyes of your Coworkers and Management.  

3. Never stop Learning. Never stop Growing. And Never stop Working. Keep moving Forward.

-kia