Responding to a Prayer Request

For you know who about you know who:

A Brother in the Lord recently had a family scare. His daughter had a run in with a table saw and now her hand is badly damaged. Having put out the initial prayer request, he updates us periodically on the surgery performed by the skilled and able doctors and her progressive healing. For him it seems quite natural, as it once did for me, to give credit to the God of the Bible for the knowledge, skill and execution in the operating room of those incredible and talented doctors who did the work that the God of Bible was seemingly absent to perform Himself. But of course, we all need to believe that the God of the Universe is watching out for us… even if he seems like He wasn’t able to keep this brother’s daughter safe from a table saw, or some Midwestern towns safe from tornadoes, or children from being born with Cancer… but I digress. I wanted to let the Brother know that I was pulling for him and his daughter. So I left him a comment on his post hoping to encourage him in Solidarity.

Praying that God continues to do nothing, but allows the doctors to do what they do and the natural and biological healing process to take its appropriate and necessary time. How did God allow this to happen in the first place to one of His precious ones? Oh well, i guess he was busy making sure aunt mae got just the right parking spot or helping uncle bill find his car keys. Either way… it’s a frightening thing to see your kids hurting. I’m glad she has at least you and your wife to be there for her. Best regards.-kia

Credit where credit is due

This would be a great time for the God of the Bible to step up and demonstrate to the world His love and care for His People in a tangible way that would be impossible to mistake as anything other than Divine Answered Prayer. But alas, to this Brother in Christ, it doesn’t really matter. He’ll keep attributing to God the beneficial actions of People helping People, while simultaneously refusing to ‘credit’ Him with the negative, harmful and even deadly events.

The evidence is in. Has been for a long, long time. The God of the Bible is silently watching it all. Leaving People to do what comes naturally, then crediting, and inversely excusing Him, for thousands of years. My hope is that his daughter heals up just fine and the Brother in Christ rejoices in the amazing skill and work of the doctors and medical staff that stepped in when the God of the Bible was nowhere to be found.

-kia

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Deconversion really is “All about Me”…

Reposting again for IB: Deconversion is all about Me

I just want to share again with all you out there, deconverts from Christianity, still Christian or even non/never been Christians something I read this morning from a brother who seems mighty upset and troubled by former Christians like me actually telling others that they are former and why.

You see, I read this post from “Funny Man” JB and nearly lost my mind laughing at all the strawman argments and false narratives thrown out ‘in defense’ of Christianity by his own special brand of ‘offensiveness’ toward those who have the nerve to tell their stories and share what they’ve learned in reevaluating their allegiance to “The Greatest Story Ever Told”. It was a long post, mine is a bit longer, but take a gander at this dander…

**** from the Christian Comedian and Internet Apologist Extraordinaire… JB ****

When you walk away from Christianity without a good reason, you look stupid. The trouble is, there are no good reasons to walk away from Christianity. So you’re going to look stupid no matter what. Let me suggest a disguise that will make your irrationality somewhat less obvious. “Honesty”. That’s it! Be truthful. Just admit that you don’t want to believe anymore.

Do you know what will happen if you do that? The apologists will leave you alone! If you said, “I choose to believe there is no God…your Christian antagonists would vanish like a mist! There is no argument against such bold honesty. But you need to be sincere! This must be your only reason for leaving. You can’t write lists of intellectual dilemmas. You can’t complain about the “lack of evidence” for Christian doctrine. You can’t preach about how awful Christians behave. You can’t ramble about the superiority of other religions.

And most importantly…

You can’t talk about morality.

As soon as you open your mouth about right and wrong…everyone knows that you’re lying. (Well…not everyone. Other non-religious simpletons don’t have a clue.) Trust me. Everyone ELSE knows you’re lying. And…YOU know you’re lying. We all agree that liars are detestable so…be honest when you leave Christianity. It is your God-given right to turn your back on God. And I’ll hold the door for you! Go! Live life on your terms! Just quit pretending your non-religious status is anything other than self-centeredness.

It’s not of an enlightened revelation. It’s not of a profound concern for the betterment of mankind. You’ve decided to worship yourself. Admit it and you’ll earn a little respect from those of us who’ve decided differently.

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Buckle up cowboy, this is gonna be a long and bumpy ride

I agree with you JB, ultimately my decision to leave my faith of 34yrs, which I served in various roles of avocational ministry for 25 of those was All About Me.

So tell me again…

  • what’s your problem with my decision?
  • And why should you care?

It’s fairly and painfully obvious that you don’t really care about me or others who have deconverted… Personally. It certainly wasnt “All about YOU”. As if our decisions were somehow reflective of your decision to remain in the Faith and retain your identity as a Christian… That really would be petty, insecure, passive aggressive and insecure on YOUR part.

  • So why do you care that we left at all and have the supposed temerity to actually tell others?

Are you really that insecure or sensitive in your own faith that just having other people free to tell their own personal stories and reasons for having been Christian, then not now being Christian anymore, somehow threatens your existence or identity or security of your own faith or The Faith as a whole?

So… tell me JB, exactly Who is making it “All about them”?

But aside from these questions… I have some issues with how you have framed or portrayed us and the narrative you’ve tried to lay out in your post, JB and I wanted to address some of them on a separate post… here where we might have others chime in for the discussion… not on your post where just you and “antebellum amanda” will banter back and forth interminably while the echo chamber applauds. Incidentally for readers who don’t know JB’s daughter Amanda yet, she still thinks biblical slavery would be a good thing today and has tried in the past to equate it to Parent/Child relationships. Lol

You first asserted… Ass-erted mind you… that we left Christianity for no good reasons, because “No good reasons exist” to leave Christianity. Amazing insight, but backassward. I’d probably say that having reevaluated the Evidence for and against the foundations and historicity of Christianity and the Gospel message…

oh yeah, you didn’t much care for people asking for Evidence did you. Tough toenails!…

I’d say that there wasn’t any “good reasons” to Stay in Christianity and a whole lot of Great Reasons to leave. You just have to be willing to search them out and prepared to accept… I’ll use a word I chose to counter your word “Honesty”…
REALITY! Yup, that’s it. Prepared to accept Reality
Confirmation bias is a real “Ex-wife” with a capital B. Not that I have one… ex-wife that is. 🙂
It’s not easy to continue denying the existence of Reality outside your Christian Stained Glass Windows while declaring another “Reality” you can’t demonstrate to actually exist. The Problem with your assertion that “there are no good reasons to leave Christianity” is that it’s just an assertion based on your insecurity with others coming to different conclusions based on actual Evidence or lack of Evidence that you have excluded or refused from your consideration… and them being open and… I’m going to use your word here, JB… “Honest” enough to say so. In the final analysis JB…

  • Who the Sam Hell cares if you disagree?
  • Who the freak are you to tell people what they should and shouldn’t say and not say to “make the apologists leave us alone”?

Really, It’s really not about YOU, JB at all… Really.
But I agree with you completely… It is all about US.

Now, that doesn’t mean we’re being somehow “selfish” by leaving a false 2000 year old middle eastern “Death Cult” based on the supposed Human Blood Sacrifice of someone who either claimed or was acclaimed well after his death to be “God in Flesh”… No, that word you would be reaching for might be better chosen…

Rationally and Reasonably Sane

…and skeptical of claims that are without Evidence… oh dear, there’s that Word you can’t stand again.

Newsflash Funnyman: A Disbelief in the Positive is NOT a Belief in the Negative

The next down the list of your assertions JB was that Deconverts from Christianity have “chosen to believe there is no god”. As if…

  • 1) atheists believe THAT there is no God or make the positive claim THAT there is no God… or
  • 2) leaving Christianity or not being a Christian means you are automatically an atheist.

Neither… REPEAT Neither are accurate at all.

Let me help you out a bit here JB. I know you went to college. Musta been “Clown College” or something where the Requirements were Elective because you just had to have missed out on such wonderful subjects as…

Logic,

Simple Maths and

Basic English

and Grammar.

First of all, “not 1” does not equal “negative 1”. Not even Atheists put forward either the Positive Claim or hold the Positive Beliefs THAT God or gods do not exist.

For the same reason you don’t believe Thor exists outside of the Marvel Universe or Clark Kent really turns into a raven haired Kryptonian from Kansas is the same reason Atheist Disbelieve the claims of Christians or Jews or other… in their words… “god botherers”, and I’m going to use that Word you hate again JB, I just can’t help myself…

Evidence“.

They don’t Believe or Claim to know THAT God or gods don’t exist because they are more “Honest”… see I used YOUR word there, happy?… than YOU are. They would never think of either Claiming or Believing something, like Russell’s Teapot or a god for examples, don’t exist… somewhere… anywhere in the vast universe that has yet to be fully explored. They just “Suspend Belief” until such…

“Evidence”…

… FOR the existence of Thanos from another dimension is found to be accurate, reliable and demonstrable. They just havent been convinced by people and Apologists like you or your gang that You say we’re supposed to be all hot and bothered about “leaving us alone”. They just want you and yours to do their jobs and “Put up”. You don’t have to “Shut up”, and neither do we. Its called freedom and discussion and exchange ideas. You show me yours… It’s YOUR responsibility.

But the second thing about that assertion you made is that Christians who leave Christianity have become or are automatically Atheists. Not that atheists are bad or evil or that I wouldn’t want to be associated with them… if I actually were an atheist. But the assertion that all deconverted Christians are now atheists by default is rude, demeaning and just plain insulting to millions of non-athiest yet non-christian believers of God and other Faith traditions. Try telling a Muslim or a Jew, or for that matter a Hindu or a person from any other non-abrahamic yet theistic Faith that and see what happens.

Leaving Christianity makes me exactly one thing… not a Christian anymore. That’s it!

What I or others do believe about God or gods now that we have “delivered ourselves” from “the Faith once delivered to the saints” is not by default or automatically atheist. For many it is, for some it’s not. But the choices are not only either Atheism or Christianity.

Last note on that for you JB:

if I choose to share that part of myself or my journey on my blog or in the comments sectionmof yours, it will be my decision not yours. Because… and I can’t stress this or agree with you on this enough… it’s REALLY not about you, but it Really is… All About Me.

The rest of the post was asserting that we as Deconverts are portraying ourselves as having had a “Higher or Better” Revelation or Enlightenment. And that without Christianity we can no longer speak about or judge morality. Nothing further from the Truth.
All that has changed is that we have rejected and jettisoned a “Morality” that gives the biblical God a pass on his own behaviour and moral standards that we would be guilty of gross immorality for, i.e.

  • slavery,
  • murder of innocent children,
  • women and infants,
  • and mass murder and genocide of the likes that would make any psycopath blush…

and jettisoned the “Moral Standards” He has supposedly given mankind,

  • to rape,
  • kill,
  • steal,
  • lie,
  • commit genocidal mass murder

as exampled in the biblical narrative… if only it’s commanded and approved of by God Himself.
Yes, we can speak on and judge morality and moral standards, and because we can we have… “mene, mene, tekel, upharsin”… measured and found the God of the Bible and biblical standards and examples of morality utterly lacking in any sense of Reality or Morality on a whole. And don’t think that it’s just Old Testament…
The Top Hits from Gentle Jesus Meek and Mild for your listening pleasure:

  • Love your Enemy, but Hate your own Family?
  • Bring them before me and slay them because they would not have me for a ruler?
  • And many more…

Oh yeah, and that whole…
“Jesus is coming back to kill most of the populations of the world, blood to the horse’s chests, toss all those who refuse the ‘love gift sacrifice’ into eternal torment and never-ending burning flesh”.

The Evidence from the Bible, old testament and new, literally testifies of the absolute Amorality and Immorality of the God of the Bible and is ultimately Evidence that such a God or being as He could not exist in reality.

Jb, and I know you’re going to hate this with a Passion, if you have actual Evidence of such a being actually existing… It’s YOUR job and the responsibility of the Apologists that you say we need to Shut up so they will “leave us alone” to provide it. It’s not our jobs or responsibility to demonstrate or prove that He doesn’t exist.

You see JB, I don’t want the Apologists to shut up or leave me alone. I want them to do their jobs and actually provide… and here’s that Word again… Evidence that their bold and blind faith and Authority Driven Assertions are actually True.

And then…

Even if you could, which you know you cant…

I would have to believe He exist of course… But none of us could ever trust him, capricious and sadistic, malevolent and Ammoral Universal Asshole that He would be.

  • Tell a man to take his only begotten son up to the top of a mountain to kill him… then “… psych, didn’t mean it… just joking with ya to see if you’d do the most vile and immoral thing you could ever imagine, child blood sacrifice, just becausemi told you too. But we’re all good now. Sorry Abe. “
  • Allow an innocent baby to be born, just to kill it after making it suffer seven long agonizing and painful days, while you watch and entertain yourself with the father and mother’s groveling in the dust at your feet, praying and hoping for a wish that you already know you will not grant… all to cover up for the man who took and raped the wife of another man and had him killed… Because he had the power and Authority over the people so he could.

“Yeah but David paid by the loss of his son”

  • F**k David, God killed an innocent, sinless newborn baby after making it suffer an agonizing and excruciating seven long days.
  • F**k David’s loss…
  • F**k the God who would do such a
  • f**ked up thing to a newborn innocent baby!!
  • And F**k you for actually defending that Insanity, cruelty and Immorality!!

Even if you could demonstrate that the God of the Bible actually exists in Reality, and you know you couldn’t…

I’d have to believe He exists, but None of us could ever trust him… and I’d never serve, grovel, beg, pray to, worship or follow such a maniacal, sadistic, murderous bastard again even if my punishment for not doing so was the Flames of Never-ending Hellfire and Torment.
I have too much integrity… “Honesty” and… “Morality” to do so.
It really isn’t about you JB. Believe me it isn’t.
And it isn’t even about your God, although I no longer believe He exists. You are right. It really is All About Me. I’m more moral than your God, and so are you if you really think about it and were willing to reevaluate just who and what you are serving.
The problem is JB, you put up this passive aggressive, insecure, bullshit attacking Honest people who “Honestly” have discovered Christianity to be a false religion based on lies and unsupported assertions from empty threats of Eternal Punishment and assumed positions of Authority granted from On High because its YOU who want US to Shut up and go away, not the other way around.

  • You think that us having left Christianity and having the freedom and willingness to say so publicly and on Blogs is “All About you”.
  • You feel deep down threatened somehow… personally… by people who disagree and have rejected what you still hold to be Truth ™ with a Capital “T”.
  • It’s you who are being Selfish in wanting others to stop rejecting christianity and telling others their reasons and asking You and the Apologists for what is your job and responsibility to provide if anyone is going to be compelled to believe you… Evidence.

Why not stop telling us to Shut up or trying to change the narrative of what we are actually saying with strawman arguments and bullshit demeaning of calls for Evidence when evidence is what is required…
and actually Provide some… Evidence that is.
Or in lieu of that, why not start actualy listening to us and considering “Honestly”… your word…, more than just to post idiotic and “humorous”… (yes, I did use air quotes for a reason)… insulting posts.
Otherwise, as I said before, our decision to leave Christianity or deconvert is REALLY not about you at all. As you said in your post and I agree with completely …
It is All About Us.
Have a great and wonderful life JB.

-kia

RKIA Wednesday Haiku Challenge: “Independence”

A New Weekly Feature Post
Welcome to a new feature on the Recovering Know it All. The Wednesday Haiku Challenge. The rules are simple. Take a picture related to the theme or word of the week and post it on your blog with a link here or just in the comments here with a haiku, three lines of poetry 5, 7, then 5 syllables in length. Why not join in? Here is mine for this week… “Independence. Please read to the full end and be kind. 🙂

It’s the 4th of July again. And I love my country. But we still have some explaining to do.

We celebrate the 13 small Independent Colonies called States who, in their own interests and for their own reasons, right or wrong, decided to one by one Secede from their former Union, defend that right by force of arms, and forge a New Confederacy. No longer bound by the chains that held them to a government or oppressive rulers who had ceased to represent their brand and vision of the American Dream, they set out to regain the Freedom for their Several States and Peoples that had been promised and reneged on long ago.

Independently Connected

Brothers by birthright

Fought each other for freedom

Yet stay connected

-kia

In short…

The seeds for the War Between the States that we now refer to as the American Civil War that separated brothers and families “four score and seven years” hence, were scattered and cultivated in the very ideas of Freedom, Autonomy and Independence that we idolize today in the great Revolutionary War that was initiated by the signing of the Decalaration of Independence from English rule in 1776.

One of Many

Freedom isn’t free

It must be reasserted

Honored with respect

-kia

They both had their reasons

The Colonies wanted to have full control of their destinies on a new continent, free from punishing and oppressive taxation by a government which was no longer theirs by either representation or affinity. But they weren’t really interested in extending Freedom to ‘everybody’. Just being Freed from English Rule.

  • Were they perfect? No.
  • Did they still practice the Human Slavery that 80yrs later would be the instigator for the later war? Yes.
  • Were they that much different immediately after the British Redcoats backed off and let them win? No. No they weren’t.
  • Are there ironic parallels between the two different Wars for Independence? Of course there are.

Independence must be Won and Safeguarded… even from Ourselves

All you have to do is open up a few books with different points of view and try to figure it out yourselves. In the first, the Rebels won. In the last… a Nation of States became One Nation State. Slavery had been ‘officially’ abolished, but unofficially racism and subjugation of African Americans, Native Americans, Mexican Americans, Chinese Americans was still very much alive… even including the imprisonment or rather “Internment”… a nicer sounding word… of German and Japanese American Citizens during the whole Second World War by the Democratic President FDR… hero of the Great Depression… simply for their genetics and ethnicity.

Warning: Personal Opinion here

Human Slavery is and was a moral evil and a blight on the history of our world, but just as it wasn’t the center of why we fought for our Independence from England, I don’t believe it was truly why The Union fought the Southern States to keep them in a Federation they no longer wanted to voluntarily be in.

In my probably not so well educated opinion, the War launched by “The Union” to reunite the States by force had more to do with National Economics and the growing Political Power of the Federal Government that was supposed to Serve rather than Rule the Several Independent States.

Our nation changed in ways we modern Americans would probably never recognize. At the cost of an estimated 800,000 or more soldiers and civilian noncomabatant lives, the Civil War “Freed the Slaves”, but from a political standpoint gave the Federal Government, backed now by a Standing Army who had proven both their ability and willingness to wage war against their own populace that they are sworn to serve, Supremacy and Rulership previously unknown and I believe unintended by the Founders of the fledgling Nation who signed the Declaration and Constitution that gave it birth, and that we celebrate today, 242yrs later.

Again, I love my country. And I’ve served it in the military in my youth. But as we enter our two hundred and forty third year, I believe we still have some explaining to do. And at the risk of being misunderstood and sounding like a crackpot, please open a few books with differing opinions and figure it out for yourselves.

Well, there is my try for today and a commentary to boot. Try not to “Tar and Feather” me in the comments. Lol. Why not give it a try? Do your own post and drop a link or just comment below. Let’s do this!!

-kia

Reading: The Bible- The Biography

Update 7/4/2018

Actually… just getting back to this one having just finished a Simon Winchester book on my other blog. Great so far, only about 50 pages in of the 229 pgs with the epilogue. Looking to finish by the end of the weekend.

Update again… 7/4/18

Amidst the sounds of “bombs bursting in air” and the red glare of Fireworks rockets over my home tonight, every year I fear the eventual burning of my home on Independence Day, I have now finished The Bible: The Biography, having also finished the last bits of my Simon Winchester book on the Uniting of the States. Both great and amazing reads. Pick them up at your local booksellers or just on Amazon. You won’t regret it. Good night all.

-kia

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Yes, another Karen Armstrong book. This time it’s her Biography of the Bible. How the Bible was born and how it’s come down to us thru the centuries. My last read by her was The History of God about the development and original of judeo-christian-islamic Monotheism and the culture and writing that gave them birth.

This one will be a bit more focused and seems to, at least from the outset, to be more like Bart Ehrman’s books on the development of the Old and New Testaments and their transmission/preservation (if you can call it that) over the millennia since the Greatest Story Ever Told started getting told.

The opening introduction tells me she is very interested in languages and how we communicate meaning and beliefs. So as an amateur linguist myself and still also interested in how we pass knowledge and information down thru the ages, or even just to the next guy accross the street, I think I’m going to enjoy this book even more that I did History of God.

What are you reading these days?

-kia

Tie Tuesday: Christmas in July pt 2

You must be Mad, she said

One of my most recent Goodwill finds on half price Saturday. Isn’t it grand? And it’s a perfect fit for this coming Saturday in Glendale Arizona. You see, every year for the last eleven now they’ve been celebrating Christmas in July as a way of bringing Holiday Cheer to an otherwise hot and depressing time of year. July is the month we start getting the 115-120 degree temps pretty regularly here in the Valley of the Sun. We need something to get us thru.

-kia

Tie Tuesday: Christmas in July 2018

Hey there all you happy people. It’s July and as it usually is during this month all around the country… It’s Hot as Hell!!

I usually wear a shirt and tie at the office, except on Fridays and except during summer when Arizona gets over the century mark on the thermometer. Here in the Phoenix area the temps won’t go back below 100 degrees until late October, and most of that time we will be between 110 and 120. No… no ties at work for awhile.

But… But I do try to do the Christmas in July as Tie Tuesdays. And as luck and the calandar would have it this year, this is the first of five such Tie Tuesdays in July 2018. I’ve chosen the snowmen to inaugurate the Season of Christmas in July. Why not play along? Post your own Christmas in July post, picture, poem or short blurb of a memory.

-kia

A Response and a Question

An update of sorts

Mel responded on his post to my question that he didn’t really mean what I thought he was saying. You can go to his post to read his response directly. I thought he was both denyingnand yet agreeing but he may not have realized it, or he did but he was shifting. So I posed him the question again more directly.

Mel, honest question and it deserves and honest answer.
If the facts and Evidence demonstrated 5hat the Bible was incorrect in its telling of history, both old and new testaments, and that the Jesus portrayed in the New Testament was a fictional character based on some historical, but fully human, executed and still fully dead ‘Jesus’… would you believe the evidence and facts or stick with Faith that the Jesus of the New Testament and the Bible, new and old Testaments, are still True because they give your life meaning and purpose?

What do you think? -kia

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Responding to a recent post at Pastor Mel’s blog

KIA says:

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Mel, doesn’t this post all come down to not really caring what the facts support or don’t support, but what the belief and believing the belief does in transforming your life… again, whether the belief or system of belief is justified by the evidence for its truth in reality? Could not the Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist say the same then?

“What is Truth?” – Pontius Pilate, John 18

Mel’s post came to mind again because of a similar thought I had as the wife and I attended church this morning, and a long reminiscent lunch afterwards, with friends we’ve known for almost 30yrs but have rarely had opportunity to actually physically get together with over the last 10 or so years of that. One of whom is my mentor in ministry and missionary work who over the years has only been able to come back from his mission in Thailand every couple or three years, only to return after a few weeks or maybe a month or two of traveling thru the US to greet churches supporting his work.

Hit and miss has been mostly ‘miss’ and we haven’t connected in one place since before I was married now almost 13yrs ago. But he called me last weekend and we met Monday afternoon for an early dinner/late lunch while the wife was at a weekly “get together”… I didn’t tell him she was at Yoga. It’s not Christian and as we believed before, it’s impossible to separate out the ‘spiritual’ elements (eastern religious influence) so… it’s idolatry and “serving other gods” whether knowingly or unknowingly. Thus, she was at a weekly get together.

Family Together at Table

We decided to meet with two other longtime friends at the church they attend this morning. It all came back. Just like the Korean language did when I went on mission there after 8yrs of not speaking or hearing the language since being a linguist and stationed in South Korea after high school. Familiar patterns. Familiar words. Familiar feelings. Familiar… Family in Christ. I was “Passing” and I knew it. They didn’t, but my wife and I did and I for one felt a little ashamed and embarrassed for not being able to have the integrity or honesty with my longest and closest friends in the whole world to fess up to my deconversion from Christianity.

Wrong timing? Wrong situation? Hurt their hearts? Them severing ties? All these come down to Fear. But Mel’s post and others have me thinking and wondering… what would it take to go back? What would it involve in actions and commitments to go backwards? Would it even be possible to just forget all we have learned, all we know now about the shaky and precarious nature of the foundations of Christian belief? Could we even do it? What would that mean? How would we be able to so bifurcate our ‘souls’ into Real and Not Real so as to allow for us to be fully believing and living Christians and yet dismiss, as people like Mel and William Lane Craig… who obviously KNOW better, but have chosen to stick with “Jesus Lord of Heaven”?

Truth that is True or what “Transforms”?

I guess the first step is what Pastor Mel describes in his post. Namely to Redefine Truth to mean not what Facts or Evidence can demonstrate to match with Verifiable Reality, but what “Transforms and gives meaning and purpose” to our lives. The beliefs themselves become the tools and “means” to the “ends” of a transformed and purposeful life, whether those beliefs are able to be verified as matching Reality or not… even in spite of controverting or contradictory Facts and Evidence that they don’t. This seems almost a return to an Esoteric or Gnostic version of Christianity.

What is Truth? Do we still care?

Do we really care whether what we believe to be True actually IS true in the ‘truest’ sense of that word… or will we be content with Redefining Truth to fit the narrative of our beliefs?

What would it take at this point in our deconversion from Christianity to return and embrace the “Life of Christ” again?

What would we have to do, get rid of and blind ourselves to… to once again be “In Christ” and in His Body?

And what would be the difference between us and those of other Faith Traditions claiming Truth ™ in our beliefs by redefining them to exclude the possibility of falsifiability?

I’m open to suggestions or comments.

-kia

Saturday Morning Poem: “Stolen Glory”

Stolen Glory

I see you there, pretending to shine

giving ‘your’ light and saying “it’s mine”

reflected glory, cold pride at your heart

if not for the sun you’d surely be dark.

-KIA

I wonder how it feels to worship a ‘moon’? A cold, dead, lifeless Rock with no heat or light of it’s own to shine. It needs the Light of others to even be visible…

What does it feel like to know that the light it reflects really comes from the best that comes from us? The ‘Men in our Moons’ are nothing without our Light and Heat to bring them brilliance and luster. Gods we’ve created to steal our glory.

They don’t deserve the credit we give them. They are really nothing without us.

-KIA

Xtian Haiku: Beginner Unbegun

For Jb and Antebellum Amanda

On a recent attempt by the Dynamic Duo of Familial Fraternity on WordPress to drag an unwilling participant into their insecure and irrational attempts at Internet Apologetics, these two tried to lure those evil and nasty Atheists… and one yours truly just merely “Not a Christian anymore” to comment bomb this biblical language scholar on his blog. Thus drawing him into the fray that they themselves have been ill equipped and ill prepared to handle honestly and politely. ((Which Jb, you know is the real reason they won’t come play footsies with you anymore, not because of their ‘fear’ or your ‘prowess’))

It didn’t work. And I didn’t intend to prove Jb right by acting like an “impolite idiot begging for a fight” as his Preemptive Strawman attempted to portray us non Christian “heathen types”. I asked a simple question in a comment left on this brother’s blog post and he very kindly and politely declined to answer. No muss. No fuss. No problems. No “hate speech” from me in response. Just a “Thank you for your kind reply” and that was it. Good on the brother. He really does have an interesting blog and linguistic perspective. And he seems to be a very nice fellow. I’d encourage anyone to visit.

JB and Amanda however… Not so much. They seem to be unwilling or unable to harness such humility and manners in responding to questions they don’t want to answer or feel like you shouldn’t be asking in the first place. He’s a bit of a troll, you see. And Amanda… she’s defended biblical slavery in the past and even tried to equate parenthood or having children to keeping slaves. Lol. It’s why I refer to her as Antebellum Amanda.

But in the comments section of JB’s post trying to Egg the Heathen on to attack the other brother, they can be seen chuckling back and forth on my brief and polite exchange. Then… Amanda made a reference to my once in awhile posting Haiku poems here on my blog as she asked…

“is there a Hebrew version of haiku?”

Her off the cuff, sarcastic and rudely rhetorical question meant for derision became a suggestion of sorts in my mind and… “what they meant for evil…” I decided to intend it for your good out there in WordPress Land, ala Genesis 50 vs 30.

So here it goes. Your blog to God’s ears, Amanda. Or at least to my tablet. It’s not actually Hebrew, but it’s the intention and effort that counts in poetry really, right? So enjoy. -Kia

Hearsay without a Witness

Hear, Oh Israel

The Lord thy God is One God

-Just One more myth.

-Kia

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Why not God too?

With a Word He Spoke

Yet from where or when spake He?

-Who was His Mover?

-kia

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Memory Defiled

He once walked the Shore

Reformer turned Apostate

-Rabbi Deified.

-kia

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Godfather’s Protection Scheme

He who walked the waves

Buried in a common grave

-Sleeps with the fishes.

-kia

And now… a Word from our Sponsor

Apparently, Jesus died to Save us from what his Father wants to do to us if we don’t accept His “totally uncoerced invitation” (Wink, wink. Nod, nod). Jesus is the Enforcer to God’s Vito Corleone.

Not to worry. The Biblical God is a nightmarish fairy tale with no actual Evidence for His existence in reality outside of the pages of the Old and New Testaments. And there is no rational or evidential reason to believe the Historical Jesus, ever left his final resting place, not a “rich man’s tomb” but what would have been the common fate of all victims of Roman Crucifixion… a mass grave for what little was left of the bones and flesh that wasn’t eaten by the dogs and birds. Poetically tragic, don’t you think?

Thank you again Antebellum Amanda and JB for the suggestion. This was fun. Let’s do it again real soon.

-Kia

For Color Storm: Flat Wrong

The bible says the Earth has four corners. This sheet of flat paper has four corners. So the Earth is as flat as this sheet of paper. QED.

QED. Could also stand for “The

  • Quality of your
  • Education is
  • Disastrerous”

“We’re not Crazy!!”

Uh, “Yes you Are!!”… Lol

I think it’s cool how they have to reassure themselves, and how the rocket dude said he would have quit school in the 6th grade… the Sixth Grade?… if he thought he could keep himself from being ‘indoctrinated’… indoctrinated?… in the Globe Conspiracy that the Earth is round. Really? And you’re “Not Crazy!!”??? Think about it.

  • The earth is not flat.
  • The Bible is not the Word of God and
  • Science is not the “Enemy of Mankind.”

It’s only the Enemy of those who want to believe Fairy Tales and made up BS about the origins and workings of reality, this Universe and the World as it is.

So you can stick your head up any orifice you find most comfortable or shout as loud as you’re capable of… or pound the keys of your computer keyboard, laptop or smart phone all you want, but what you Believe to be True ™ isn’t necessarily true just because you want to believe it or can convince yourself or others like you that it is. Have a great Saturday all. Especially John, otherwise known as Color Storm on WordPress.

-kia